Talk:Motherland controversy

Please explain

what is "as led by newspaper Taiwan Xinminbao" trying to say?Slatersteven (talk) 12:13, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Which means the newspaper (maybe its publishers or editorial board or both) led the activity. I am not sure for the Chinese text does not explicitly point it out.--34Unionist (talk) 15:17, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

What does it mean led the activity, they organised it, they funded it?, they actually had people with them who told them what to do?Slatersteven (talk) 17:13, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

As I have a quick check on the original text on Chinese Wikipedia, this means that the newspaper organised the event. Taiwan Xinminbao (lit. Taiwan New People's News) was a famous Chinese-language newspaper in Taiwan under Japanese rule. --PaintWoodSt (talk) 15:19, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Chinese Wikipedia is not an RS. Slatersteven (talk) 15:21, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Maybe you should read the Taiwanese National Museum article that I cited. You can try using Google Translate to to get a rough translation. Best regards, PaintWoodSt (talk) 00:58, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

That is not the Chinese wiki. Slatersteven (talk) 11:54, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

rōnin

I am not sure this can be true, as it refers to a very specific thing that did not exist at this time.Slatersteven (talk) 12:16, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

In Japanese Wikipedia, there is a specific entry named "continental Ronin," which described their activity in China before the end of World War 2. Hopefully you can read it with Google Translate, which shows their existence after the Meiji Restoration. I would consider the English entry a bit erroneous.

Also, In Page 254 of the book "Taiwan: A New History", it also mentioned Ronin activity during the World War 2. I would say, the meaning of Ronin here is not just about samurai who lost their lord, but more generally refers to Japanese gangsters.

Besides, in Page 163 of "Historical Dictionary of Taiwan Cinema", it says, "Taipei already saw activities of transgendered male street prostitute in the brothel areas, catering to the need of Japanese Ronin" before the Republic of China lost the civil war and moved the government to Taiwan. --34Unionist (talk) 15:17, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Then it needs to be clear this does not refer to Ronin, but some different class, as they are not the same thing.Slatersteven (talk) 17:14, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Lin Hsien-tang

Much of this either does not tally or in not mentioned in the article about him, this seems odd.Slatersteven (talk) 12:36, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

The external link is exactly an article about him, but in Chinese only. You can try Google Translate it. Here is another one, which says [according to Google Translate] "The so-called "Motherland Incident"(祖國事件) that happened to him also explained Lin Xiantang's "motherland" feelings." Here is another Taiwanese comment on Lin's obsession with his motherland. The problem is that some English readers are not well-informed about all these things and still want to make a conclusion upon them, which really confuses me. --34Unionist (talk) 15:17, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

It is still a bot odd, that there seem to be a very narrow set of sources for this notable incident.Slatersteven (talk) 17:16, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

The simple reason: nobody wants to read in Chinese and nobody who reads in Chinese wants to translate this for English speakers, especially those who might feel ashamed for their ancestors for one reason or another. Self-discrimination of an group widely discriminated against, or internalised racism is also a kind of racism. --34Unionist (talk) 18:49, 24 September 2020 (UTC)