Talk:Movement Against Illegal Immigration

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Sova-center not reliable source[edit]

Links to sova-center should not be here, as it is a racist anti-russian fringe website that only reports incidents of attacks on non-russians, while completely ignores gruesome murders committed by illegals against russians. Nobody appointed them to be a reliable source, nobody deems them to be a reliable source. This site should be added to the spam list. --Ram2006 14:43, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Many international organizations and reputable newspapers widely use their data (see SOVA Center article), and you claim them to be unreliable source? Biophys 21:15, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have to agree with Biophys, Sova Center is widely cited and trusted in Russia and internationally by a wide variety of sources. Whatever the frequency of the "gruesome murders committed by illegals against Russians" cited by Ram 2006 (and I'd like to see some sourcing on that allegation....), Sova Center is entirely accurate in what it attempts to do.--Kostik68 (talk) 23:11, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am a representative of Sova Center. Not only do press sources including The Guardian and The New York Times rely on us for information, but we also serve as policy consultants to the European Commission. Further, we note attacks by ethnic and religious minorities on ethnic Russians or Orthodox believers in Russia, but the reality of the situation is that these are extremely rare. It is simply the course of our work (one of our primary projects is the Racism and Xenophobia Project) that we report on the issues faced by ethnic and religious minorities in Russia; part of this is monitoring the actions of ultranationalist groups including the DPNI. --Tcallahan 12:14, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Can the DPNI be called "racist"?[edit]

I would like to discuss the removal of the definition of "racist" organization from the lede [1]. See also this discussion. [2]

Financial Times (RS [3] from Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources): Aleksander Belov (his real surname is Potkin). Belov is the former head of the Movement Against Illegal Immigration (DPNI) a racist umbrella group founded by him in 2002.
Los Angeles Times: (RS [4] from Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources): Russian ultranationalists chanting slogans against foreign immigrants and Jews marched through a deserted area of the capital [...] The rally organized by the far-right Slavic Union and the Movement Against Illegal Immigration [DPNI] [...] “We will free Europe! Russia will be white!” the anti-immigration group’s leader, Alexander Belov [founder of DPNI], told the crowd. “We came here to say simple words: We are sick and tired of the power of occupants, of conquerors, and now it’s enough,” he said. “We are the real power, not those who are hiding in this Torah!”
BBC: (RS [5] from Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources): "We are accused of wanting to make Russia brown. It is not true. We want to make it white - Alexander Belov [founder of DPNI], organizer of the "Russian March"
Support for Kondopoga riot against immigrants (Source in the article itself)
The creation of "People's Self-Defense" groups to defend "indigenous citizens" against "the aggressive actions of criminal migrants." (Source in the article itself)
Organization banned becaus its leaders taken part in events aimed at igniting interethnic hatred (Source in the article itself)

How can we not label this organization at least racist? Thank you for your contribution.--Mhorg (talk) 11:11, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tell me, do you remember what you have been told dozens of times? We must "treat each aspect with a weight proportional to its treatment in the body of reliable, published material on the subject". If you want, you can find some extreme opinions about any person or phenomenon, but you can't ignore all the other sources just because you like the most extreme assessment the most. The DPNI is usually called "far-right", "radical right", "extreme-right". But "racist" is not in the first place.--Nicoljaus (talk) 11:44, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Let's simply follow scholarly sources, such as that. It is indeed described as "far-right", "radical right", "extreme-right". But one should mention this is also an anti-government organization. That's why they were persecuted by Russian state, not because of their views of course. My very best wishes (talk) 16:31, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]