Talk:Muslim conquest of Mediterranean islands

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Article scope is utter WP:OR

This is an invented topic. There is no single typology of 'Muslim conquest', any more than there is a 'Christian conquest' or a 'Hindu conquest'; and certainly not one applied to the entire Mediterranean littoral over almost a thousand years, from the Rashidun to the Ottomans, unlike e.g. the relatively brief timeframe of the Early Muslim conquests. The article meanders between entirely different events by different polities and spins them into a narrative by mere chronological succession, without however trying to explain how they are supposed to be related, apart from the fact that all these events involve Muslims and naval combat, and happened in the Mediterranean. A major island like Cyprus or Crete has nothing to do with the offshore fortress of Arwad, the Battle of the Masts nothing to do with the much later events like the conquests of Malta, Sardinia, Sicily or the Balearics that were undertaken in different circumstances and by different polities. It is even unable to stick to its nominal topic: Constantinople is not an island, nor is southern Italy or southern France. We already have articles that cover these topics more than adequately at Arab-Byzantine wars, Early Caliphate navy, Fatimid navy, and elsewhere. Constantine ✍ 18:49, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article was recently translated from a featured article on the Arabic wiki. I'd hate to undo the potentially large amount of work that went into translating it (assuming it wasn't done by machine?), but I agree that the topic scope is too artificial. Additionally, most of the citations are to Arabic sources, which isn't strictly a problem, but all the author names and titles are translated into English without including their original Arabic titles and many of the links are broken/expired, which will make it difficult for the average editor/reader on the English Wikipedia to find them and verify what they say. R Prazeres (talk) 19:14, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you. Maybe it should be nominated for deletion and we'll take it from there. But it's definitely not a valid Wikipedia article in this form and even the title is completely wrong. EpicAdventurer (talk) 23:56, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]