Talk:N-po generation
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Merge proposal[edit]
Think the scope of this page overlaps too heavily with Sampo generation. Propose the pages be merged, although I'm not sure if it should be under "Sampo generation" or "N-po generation".
Here are various pro arguments for each title.
Pro-"N-po":
- "N-po" is the broader category that "Sampo" fits under
Pro-"Sampo generation":
- "Sampo generation" is probably the more WP:COMMONNAME for the concept, although it is a subcategory of "N-po"
- "N-po" emerged after "Sampo"
- "Sampo" is easier to remember than "N-po"
I'm leaning towards "N-po". Please discuss toobigtokale (talk) 00:09, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- See Talk:Sampo generation#Merge for a previous relevant discussion thread.
- My thoughts:
- While Sampo is a subcategory of "N-po", I don't think it is sufficiently independently notable enough to merit a separate page.
- Case in point, the content of the two articles currently overlap to a significant degree. The stuff that's relatively exclusive on either page I think is informative to understanding both Sampo and N-po.
- N-po is kind of a jokey riff based on Sampo (i.e. "Oh, you've given up on x? Well I've given up on even more!"). I see it as a "scale from one to ten" kind of thing; I'd say the concepts are trying to express degrees of an identical feeling, and not a precise distinction between exactly how many things are hard for people
- While the kowiki has separate articles for Sampo and N-po, Namuwiki only has one for N-po, with a redir on Sampo to N-po.
- Although of course, precedent isn't everything; the kowiki and namuwiki are very much not perfect.
- Subjective, but if I ask myself "is my understanding of the topic richer by having these as seperate articles?", I'd say it isn't, and especially not at present because of the strong overlap.
- While Sampo is a subcategory of "N-po", I don't think it is sufficiently independently notable enough to merit a separate page.
- toobigtokale (talk) 00:31, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- I commented there with oppose. I don't have time to re-review the sources I mention there, feel free to criticize my analysis from that time, but for now I'll default to weak oppose until such a time that I can re-review the sources again. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 00:49, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- We have the 9,964 bytes article Sam-po generation, created 2013 and the 8,225 bytes article N-po generation, created 30 June 2019, in the frame of a so-called "educational assignment". Both of them could be merged into The Sorrows of Young Werther, but who will do the job ? The same question applies to a simple merging of the "3" versus "N" articles. Is there really someone who intents to take the time for such a merging ? Pldx1 (talk) 19:16, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- I can do the merge; bit confused what you mean with the Sorrows of Young Werther page though toobigtokale (talk) 21:02, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- Maybe it was a reference to the sorrows of youth in general? I am still not sure merge is a godo idea, per my old comments that I did not have time revise since, but note I opposed merger before and I see no reason to change my view (by there I mean Talk:Sampo_generation#Merge). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:56, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
- I see, I don't have strong feelings about it so if there's no momentum I think can keep. That said if others read and want to contribute to the conversation please do toobigtokale (talk) 16:29, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
- Maybe it was a reference to the sorrows of youth in general? I am still not sure merge is a godo idea, per my old comments that I did not have time revise since, but note I opposed merger before and I see no reason to change my view (by there I mean Talk:Sampo_generation#Merge). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:56, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
- I can do the merge; bit confused what you mean with the Sorrows of Young Werther page though toobigtokale (talk) 21:02, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- I'm fine with either; merging them soon is more important than picking the perfect page name. ErrorDestroyer (talk) 06:25, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
- Support Merge N-po is really a variation for the term "Sampo" rather than a totally different term. I don't see why the two would be better as separate articles. 00101984hjw (talk) 02:48, 6 April 2024 (UTC)