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Japanese vs. English Definition of "NEET"[edit]

"Some NEET may not be hikikomori while all hikikomori are NEET."

This is wrong..what if a hikimori makes money from online stock trading, managing a website or some other financial activity that does not involve leaving their house? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.3.209.75 (talk) 20:22, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Anybody want to do a section on NEETs in the UK? ~MDziesinski (Wrote the article just couldn't sign in where I wrote it.)

I have heard that a term NEET was not much used in uk. -- Taku July 2, 2005 06:55 (UTC)

I must say, I've been living in Japan for about three years now, and it had always baffled me what the Japanese were talking about when they asked me questions about "niito." Being American, and having never heard of "NEET," I thought that the Japanese may have developed a new meaning for the word "neat," or that perhaps they may have borrowed a word from from a different language. It seems all borrowed words in Japan are assumed to have come from English unless proven otherwise.

Personally, the Japanese never grasp things, and they borrow words and affix their own meanings to them, thus words are hardly ever truly "borrowed." IE, the word "baito," for "part-time job," shortened from "arubaito," which is from the German "arbeit", which actually means any line of labor. The word "saabisu" (Eng. 'service') which can be taken to mean "a free throw-in"; in English speaking countries, we know that a service is usually paid for, and not gotten as a bonus.

Lo and behold, I finally find the free time to google "neet," and I actually find that there is actually an English meaning to this acronym. Only, just as with albeit, "NEET," which is supposed to have its own meanings in the British English vocabulary to mean unemployed youth between the ages of 15 and 18, now takes on a completely different nuance with the Japanese inclusion of UNMARRIED as part of the definition, and the inclusion of people up to the age of 34. I really think that "NEET" in the Japanese sense should have its own separate page, as it deviates greatly from "NEET" in the English sense.

In British English "NEET" would refer to those who wouldn't be included in employment, or training because of their age an the fact that these people cannot get employment or training until education is completed, or until they're at an age where they can attend a trade school or get training, because of the age laws that exist, and the age limtations that some jobs have.

What "NEET" refers to in Japan is the bigger problem of not just youth who refuse to be engaged in education, but also freeloaders who don't feel the need to find a job, or seek education or training, because they can mooch off their parents, who are expected by society to maintain them, yes, up to the age of 35, perhaps even further. Once a woman marries, she can go off to live with her husband, who will become "daikokubashira," (sole bread-winner, lit. 'big black pillar,' as in the 'pillar' of a household), and thus the problem is solved, hence the inclusion of "unmarried" as part of the meaning of the Japanese borrowing of "NEET." Perhaps the usage of this word is supposed to hide this bigger problem on-purpose? None the less, it inadverdently hides the even bigger problem of the expectations of Japanese society in a changing era, expectations that people dare not challenge. For example, one could say the problem with "NEET" in Japan would be solved if they were given incentive to work; i.e, if parents stopped supporting their children who don't care about working. However, in doing so you are asking Japanese parents to abandon their responsibility. The same could be said about the Japanese school system, which is obliged to give every child of every grade a passing diploma; because it is "gimu kyouiku"; "compulsory education." Hence, a child gets a diploma at the end of the day, whether s/he decided to show up to school or not. Suggesting a school fail a student is tantamout to asking them not to "do their job." (Their job is to hand out diplomas, not to educate children.)

Hence, I think the word "NEET" in the Japanese sense needs its own article page, and a disambiguation page to separate NEET in the British sense. Indeed, is the word even used in its place of origin anymore? I have many British, Australian, New Zealand friends, as well as friends from other countries where English is the main language, needless to say very few of them, if at all, have ever heard the word "NEET." Perhaps "NEET" as an English term is no longer as relevant as the word still is in the Japanese sense.Kogejoe (talk) 06:12, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Was not aware-[edit]

that the NEET entry had been a stub that was deleted previously. How does one recover such deleted entries or even know they exist? Is that a wiki mod thing? --Mdziesinski 10:35, 25 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Only administrators can view previously deleted articles. However, the deletion log, that everyone can view, will have a record of any article deleted within the past few months. Anyone can reqest undeletion of previously deleted edit history at Wikipedia:Votes for undeletion, in accordance with the Wikipedia:undeletion policy. That's what I did. Thank you for improving the merger. Uncle G 11:29:53, 2005-07-25 (UTC)

Inclusion of link to Otaku?[edit]

although it made me laugh (a lot), I was unsure if it has any place in a discussion about NEET? can anyone say NPOV? Jontce 13:53, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

first name last[edit]

Should Professor Miyamoto Michiko be Professor Michiko Miyamoto? -lysdexia 05:52, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't know for sure. But Michiko is a common female first name, and Miyamato sounds like a family name to me. English convention would suggest Michiko Miyamato.--ZayZayEM (talk) 06:51, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

neet in "Welcome to the NHK" anime series[edit]

neet is a main theme in this story and is discussed at length through out.Perhaps a added section ("in the media") of this or perhaps just a link to it's page will suffice. Up to you, thx. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.159.58.206 (talk) 09:52, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

more links from a freeter[edit]

parasite single, freeter and hikikomori should be added as links. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobthefishmonger (talk • contribs) 14:04, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hotlink[edit]

Link to narco gangs leads to alleged CIA trafficking. It is not substantially related and introduces bias to the article. A better link and more informative link would be to drug cartels. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.40.99.85 (talk) 00:02, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Good point, fixed. Grayfell (talk) 01:27, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Inclusion of Involuntary Celibacy link[edit]

I am skeptical of Involuntary Celibacy's relevance to NEET article as a See Also entry — Preceding unsigned comment added by CLFinch19 (talk • contribs) 16:36, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Removed, as there were no dissenting opinions on the above for over 2 months (rv edit of 2 May 2018 by 72.72.197.85). -- HLachman (talk) 10:40, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Retired persons[edit]

This article is unclear about whether NEET includes retired persons. -- HLachman (talk) 10:40, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Countries" and "regions"[edit]

Quoting straight from the first paragraph: "...its use has spread, in varying degrees, to other countries and regions, including Japan, South Korea, China, Taiwan, Canada, and the United States." Now, since the Wikipedia community has decided that Taiwan is a country, and since none of the others is a region, I don't see a valid reason for including the word "region" in this sentence. I am therefore removing the word "region" and I hope this won't become another boring and loud and lengthy "Taiwan is/is not a country" debate. The matter was settled in the Taiwan article and its talk page. Thanks. 94.62.121.80 (talk) 09:05, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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