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Incorrect HDB Count[edit]

Kobayashi had 53 3/4 HDB's in the '06 competition not 54 and Rich LaFevre (not sure if i spelled that right) is listed as having eaten 27.76 hot dogs for another competition, which i assume is just a typo. Besides, last i knew, the dogs were only measured to the 1/8. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.118.87.174 (talk) 03:46, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not the first Eat off[edit]

During the 2008 broadcast, they claimed it was the first tie during regulation, and resulting "eat-off." Note that according to the NYT articles, there was a tie in 1980, with an eat off, but they still tied after that. More than likely, there's been little research and little knowledge of the history, so it was merely a mistake of reporting. Doctorindy (talk) 17:05, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Runner ups?[edit]

Can someone put the actually runner ups instead of just the flag and how many they ate? It seems kind of pointless to list a flag as second place, especially since everyone is American besides Kobayashi? This page is a sham until that change in my opinion —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iosimcash (talk • contribs) 16:39, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

1996[edit]

This article had "Little Jim Norton" listed as the 1996 winner. This is the nickname of Jimmy Norton for the Opie and Anthony show. Edward Krachie won in 1996.

http://www.cnn.com/EVENTS/1996/4july/stories/hotdog.contest/index.html

Additional research[edit]

A look through some New York Times back issues brought very little additional information. The 1979 event was held as scheduled on July 4th, but it was hardly attended it says because of rain, ongoing clean-up problems at Coney Island, and because of gas shortages. After all that, however, it didn't list who won. The NYT's of 1976 and 1977 also do not specify the winner's name, but they report it was held. Doctorindy 17:40, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.cnn.com/EVENTS/1996/4july/stories/hotdog.contest/index.html This link indicates the contest was not held in 1939, 1940, or 1941. however, that would not parallel what the NYT article stated about 1986 (being the 70th contest) and 1991 (being the 75th contest). Only one year could have been skipped if those reports are correct. The Nathan's Famous Fourth of July Hot Dog-Eating Contest has been held each year since Nathan's opened in 1916, except in 1939, 1940 and 1941, when it was canceled to protest the war in Europe.

london[edit]

There are no references to any "national hotdog championships" in london (wimpy or otherwise) outside of Wikipedia and its mirrors, nor to a former champion being nicknamed "the Cleveland Steamer" (which is a slang term for an obscure sexual practice). Almost all of this page appears to be an entirely fabricated practical joke. Wikipedia's standards of scholarship win again!

Wimpies is in the Guiness book of world records. Not everything is online. cleveland steamer is a joke

Pratical joke? I do not understand this. This year's telecast - live on ESPN drew more viewers then its hockey broacasts. The show was just rerun this weekend (10/28/06) on ESPN2. This stuff is for real. I have been to the last two contests. see www.ifoce.com

Chart[edit]

Man, that chart is hideous, there's got to be a better way to do it.

  • I did a major overhaul of the table, replaced the country abbreviations with flag icons, moved the notes into the notes column (where they belong), fixed the empty cells with a space holder, and overall cleaned it up. It should be easy to follow for future additions. Doctorindy 03:13, 8 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • I have a question about the notes section. It claims Takeru Kobayashi set a world record in 2005, despite eating less than in 2004. Seems dubious to me. Am I missing something? Caiyern 17:38, 22 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The weight of hot dogs?[edit]

Do you know the actual weight of a hot dog and a bun? This is very important.

http://www.polizeros.com/2004/07/06.html

Takeru Kobayashi ... weighs 132 lbs.
... Let's assume the 2 oz. Nathan's hot dogs are used, and that the rolls ... are also 2 oz. So, 4 oz. x 53 1/2 = 13.5 pounds of food.
He ate 10% of his body weight in twelve minutes.

-- Toytoy 18:28, Aug 12, 2004 (UTC)

Each hot dog is 100 grams according to Nathan's Famous: http://nathansfamous.com/nathans/inside/htmls/nutrition_nathans.pdf -- KenBeer Aug 13, 2004

Data source: USDA Food Nutrient Database 16-1, serving size: 100 g.

Nathan's generic beef franks Oscar Mayer beef franks Hormel Wrangler beef franks roast beef sandwich plain hamburger + 1 patty plain hamburger + 2 patties plain rolls 43g plain roll + 57 g generic beef franks
Fat (g) 20.14 29.57 30.26 25.69 9.9 13.13 15.85 4.33 18.72
Carbs (g) 22.67 4.06 2.35 2.11 24.06 33.90 24.39 49.45 23.58
Protein (g) 10.61 11.24 11.35 12.56 15.47 13.69 17.00 4.33 8.27

Does it look like hot dog + bun? Or is the bun not included? Nathan's 100 g serving contains much more carbohydrates than other products. I guess it means a bun is included. My simulated hot dog + bun is very similar to Nathan's. A standard USDA 5" long by 7/8" diameter frankfurter weighs 57 g (8 per lb). A standard USDA roll is 43 g.

-- Toytoy 00:02, Aug 14, 2004 (UTC)

I remember I have seen a full list of winners on the Nathan's website last year. But I don't see it now. There are websites that store past webpages (search engines, and some "Time Machine" servere). I guess somewhere out there someone might have a list of all past winners.

Who knows the measurements (length and weight) of a Nathan's dog? And also the bun?

I think it will be fun to describe each contestant's way to eat the dogs. -- Toytoy

"George Shea" has been mentioned twice in the article. Who's he ? Jay 12:32, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)

head of the IFOCE and shea communications (PR firm for nathan's contest)

Unusual article?[edit]

Should this perhaps be listed on Unusual_Articles? -Cookiemobsta 19:54, 16 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Jim Mullin[edit]

Anyone know where in Ireland Jim was from, or indeed any of his biographical details? Thanks in advance, Fergananim

1939 WWII Contest cancellation[edit]

Why would a July 4, 1939 contest be cancelled due to a war starting in September 1939?

--Ojrifkin 05:25, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Kobayashi's nickname[edit]

On this article, Takeru Kobayashi's nickname has been given variously as "The Prince" and "Tsunami", the latter being the only nickname given on the Takeru Kobayashi arcticle. Is there any evidence given to Kobayashi having the nickname "the Prince"?

Archive[edit]

I've archived the bottom list of past performances in order to clean them up a bit...all the old info will still be here until it's done. Doctorindy 16:11, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Top contestants (20 HDBs or more in 12 minutes)[edit]

30 hot dogs or more ("The Tre")[edit]

25 hot dogs or more[edit]

  • Keiji Oguni (Isezaki-shi, Gunma-ken, Japan) - 29 (#4 2005), 19 (2005 Tokyo, Japan Qualifier)
  • Hall Hunt - 28.75 (#1 2007 Charlotte, NC Qualifier)
  • Patrick "Pat From Moonachie" Philbin (Moonachie, NJ USA) - 27 (#1 2007 Molly Pitcher qualifier.) 26.5 (#1(tie, lost in runoff) 2007 Shea Stadium Qualifier) 25 (#2 2006 East Hartford Qualifier), 24 (#4 2006 Philadelphia Qualifier)
  • Erik Denmark - 26.5 (#1(tie, won in runoff) 2007 Shea Stadium Qualifier)
  • Juliet Lee 26 (#1 2007 Norfork, VA Qualifier)
  • Oleg "The Great Z" Zhornitskiy (Brooklyn, USA) - 25.5 (#3/20 2002), 19 (June 26 2004? Long Island NY Qualifier)
  • Allen Goldstein - 25.5 (#2 2007 Shea Stadium Qualifier)
  • Tim Brown 25 (#3 2007 Tempe AZ Qualifier)
  • Carlene "Madame of Etiquette" LeFevre (Henderson, NV USA) - 25 (#7 2005), 23 (#1 June 25, 2005 Atlanta Qualifier, 22 (#6? 2004)
  • "Big" Brian Subich, (Johnstown, PA USA) - 25 (May 27th, 2006 Philadelphia PA Qualifier)

20 hot dogs or more ("The Deuce")[edit]

Notability[edit]

Just for informational purposes, Wikipedia:Notability should be reviewed because many of the winners/competitors have been "red linked" and there is very little reason to create a page for them, or suggest that it be done. Most of the winners prior to the past few years are simply normal people and are not recognized "competetive eaters."

I've removed a number of the red links, as these people, as you have said, are highly unlikely to ever have their own articles. If they do, we can always go back and blue link.Mk5384 (talk) 03:31, 5 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Health Effects[edit]

Shouldn't this article include a section on the negative health effects of competitive eating, or other controversies? Ogeez 20:28, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it should. I leave this to someone familiar with the issues. Karl gregory jones (talk) 03:11, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Do they barf afterwards?[edit]

Is it common for contestants to regurgitate the food after the competition? It seems they are in some serious distress afterwards. It was very surprising that Chestnut was able to give an interview after eating 66 hot dogs.

Some of them certainly do, some of them go and eat another meal afterwards... 70.51.9.28 (talk) 12:15, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Babe Ruth[edit]

there's a note about Babe Ruth competing, but not source. is this a joke? Murderbike 21:36, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • It wasn't not my edit, but there is documented evidence that Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig often had eating contests in the locker room. But I have never seen any sources indicate that Babe Ruth officially competed in the Nathan's contest. FearNotMan 15:47, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Archive dump[edit]

This section hasn't been updated in over 2 years. It adds little or nothing to the article. If it were to even belong, it shouldn't be here. Instead, it belongs in a "competetive eating" list. Doctorindy (talk) 16:26, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Top contestants[edit]

Contestant Hometown Best Coney Island showing Best Qualifier showing
Hot dogs Rank Date Hot dogs Rank Date Location
United States Joey "Jaws" Chestnut San Jose 66 1st July 4, 2007 59½ 1st June 2, 2007 Tempe
Japan Takeru "The Tsunami" Kobayashi Nagano 63 2nd July 4, 2007 2001?
United States Patrick "Deep Dish" Bertoletti Chicago 49 3rd July 4, 2007 46 1st May 3, 2007 Las Vegas
United States Tim "Eater X" Janus New York City 43.5 4th July 4, 2007 50 1st May 16, 2009 East Hartford
United States Chip "ChipBurger" Simpson Gainesville, FL 33 6th July 4, 2006 39¼ 1st March 24, 2007 Sunrise, FL
Japan Nobuyuki "The Giant/Gutzilla" Shirota Japan 38 2nd July 4, 2004 31 1st May 30, 2004 Toyko, Japan
United States Sonya "The Black Widow" Thomas Alexandria, VA 39 2nd
3rd 		July 4, 2007 38½ 1st June, 2008 Norfolk, VA
United States "Humble" Bob Shoudt Philadelphia 30 7th July 4, 2006 38 1st May 24, 2008 Philadelphia
United States Hall Hunt Jacksonville, FL 30 tied for 5th July 4, 2008 34½ 1st June 14, 2008 Charlotte, NC
United States Rich "The Locust" LeFevre Henderson, NV - - - 33 2nd 2007 Las Vegas
Japan Kazutoyo "Super Express/The Rabbit" Arai Fukuoka, Japan - - - 31 1st February 2, 2001 Japan
United States Ed "Cookie" Jarvis Nesconset, NY 30½ 2nd July 4, 2003 24 1st May 16, 2004 Boston
United States Eric "Badlands" Booker Copiague, NY 29½ 3rd July 4, 2003 30 1st 2004 Belmont, NY
Japan Keiji Oguni Gunma-ken 29 4th July 4, 2005 19 Toyko, Japan Qualifier
United States "Pat From Moonachie" Philbin Moonachie, NJ - - - 27
26½ 		1st
1st-tie 		2007
2007 		Cranbury, NJ
Shea Stadium (lost runoff)
  • Bold indicates personal best

Is the ESPN broadcast live or delayed?[edit]

What time does the contest take place? I've been watching ESPN for the past 20 minutes (1:05 pm - 1:25 pm Eastern) and it is clearly a pre-game show. But the article was edited well before 1 PM to say that Joey Chestnut already won, eating 54 hot dogs. What's going on? --Keeves (talk) 17:29, 4 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I retract the above. I have since learned that ESPN did broadcast the contest live from noon to 1 PM, and then rebroadcast it from 1 PM to 2 PM. I did research both my tv listings (which made it look like a single 2-hour show) and also the ESPN website (which gave no times at all), but I saw no clue that they'd be showing a rerun immediately after the event. --Keeves (talk) 02:50, 5 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

H.D.B. ??[edit]

The acronym H.D.B. is used throughout the article, but not defined on first use. What does it mean? Hot Dog Buns? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.250.132.134 (talk) 21:18, 4 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

from the second paragraph: "54 hot dogs and buns (HDBs) in 10 minutes"; It refers not to the buns on their own, but a hot dog and a bun. --Keeves (talk) 21:03, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rules[edit]

This is confusing: "Partially eaten hot dogs count," it says. Well, then contestants could take one bite of a dog and then go on to the next one. This is obviously incorrect. Clarification requested. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marainlaw (talk • contribs) 23:23, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Recent contest results[edit]

  • MOVING THIS SECTION OUT OF THE MAIN PAGE TEMPORARILY FOR CLEANUP Doctorindy (talk) 15:35, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
2012 Nathan's Hot Dog Eating Contest Top 3 finishers (10 minutes)
Wednesday July 4, 2012
No. Name Hot Dogs
1 Joey "Jaws" Chestnut 68
2 Tim “Eater X” Janus 52.25
3 Patrick "Deep Dish" Bertoletti 51
2011 Nathan's Hot Dog Eating Contest (10 minutes)
Monday July 4, 2011
No. Name Hot Dogs
1 Joey "Jaws" Chestnut 62
2 Patrick "Deep Dish" Bertoletti 53
3 Tim “Eater X” Janus 45
4 Bob "Notorious B.O.B." Shoudt 39
t5 Matt "Megatoad" Stonie 34
t5 Sean "Flash" Gordon 34
7 Erik "The Red" Denmark 33.5
8 Adrian Morgan 31
9 Aaron "A-Train" Osthoff 27
10 Pete "Pretty Boy" Davekos 25.5
11 Pat "From Moonachie" Philbin 25
t12 "Big" Brian Subich 23
t12 Damon Wells 23
14 Lu Mung Kui 21
15 Lam Yat Ming 14
16 Mak Tai Loi 11
* Tim "Gravy" Brown DNF (reversal)
2010 Nathan's Hot Dog Eating Contest Top 3 finishers (10 minutes)
Sunday July 4, 2010
No. Name Hot Dogs
1 Joey "Jaws" Chestnut 54
2 Tim “Eater X” Janus 45
3 Patrick "Deep Dish" Bertoletti 37
2009 Nathan's Hot Dog Eating Contest Top 3 finishers (10 minutes)
Friday July 4, 2009
No. Name Hot Dogs
1 Joey "Jaws" Chestnut (U.S. Record, World Record)
 68
2 Takeru Kobayashi 64.5
3 Patrick "Deep Dish" Bertoletti 55
2008 Nathan's Hot Dog Eating Contest (10 minutes)
Friday July 4, 2008
No. Name Hot Dogs
1 Joey "Jaws" Chestnut (U.S. Record, World Record tie) 59*
2 Takeru "Tsunami" Kobayashi (World Record tie) 59
3 Tim “Eater X” Janus 42
4 Patrick "Deep Dish" Bertoletti 41
5 Sonya "The Black Widow" Thomas 33
6 (tie) Hall "Hoover" Hunt
"Humble" Bob Shoudt		 30
8 Juliet Lee 29
9 (tie) Erik "The Red" Denmark
Juris Shibayama		 28
11 Tim Brown 27
12 Eric "Badlands" Booker 25.5
13 (tie) Patrick Vandam
Rich "The Locust" LeFevre		 25
15 Crazy Legs Conti 24
16 Allan Goldstein 21
17 Pat Philbin 20
18 Nathan Biller 18.5
19 Pete Davekos 18
20 Arturo Rios 16
21 Kevin Ross 14

* - Chesnut won a five-dog eat-off in 50 seconds, seven seconds ahead of Kobayashi. The new record is based on the net hot dogs per minute with the new 10-minute format. Both Chestnut and Kobayashi held the official record jointly until it was surpassed the following year.[3]

2007 Nathan's Hot Dog Eating Contest (12 minutes)
Wednesday July 4, 2007
No. Name Hot Dogs
1 Joey "Jaws" Chestnut (U.S. Record, World Record) 66
2 Takeru "Tsunami" Kobayashi (Japanese Record) 63
3 Patrick "Deep Dish" Bertoletti 49
4 Tim “Eater X” Janus 43.5
5 Sonya "The Black Widow" Thomas (Women's Record) 39
6 "Humble" Bob Shoudt 35
7 Chip Simpson 35
8 Rich LeFevre 31
9 Hall "The Hoover" Hunt 29
10 Juliet Lee 26
11 Dale Boone 25
12 Pat "from Moonachie" Philbin 24
13 Crazy Legs Conti 23.5
14 Erik "The Red" Denmark 23
15 Tim Brown 22.5
16 Arturo Rios, Jr. 21
17 Allen Goldstein 21
2006 Nathan's Hot Dog Eating Contest
Tuesday July 4, 2006
No. Name Hot Dogs
1 Takeru "Tsunami" Kobayashi (World Record, Japanese Record) 54
2 Joey "Jaws" Chestnut (U.S. Record) 52
3 Sonya "Black Widow" Thomas (Women's Record) 37
4 Patrick Bertoletti 34¼
5 Tim "Eater X" Janus 34
6 Chip "The Phenom" Simpson 33
7 "Humble" Bob Shoudt 30
8 Rich "The Locust" LeFevre 28
9 Eric "Badlands" Booker 24
10 Patrick "from Moonachie" Philbin 23
11 Erik "The Red" Denmark 22
12 Seaver Miller 22
13 Brian Subich 22
14 Crazy Legs Conti 21⅓
15 Allen Davis 20½
16 Robert Andersson 20
17 Hall "The Hoover" Hunt 19
18 Kamil "The Camel" Hamersky 18
19 Kenji Oguni 16
20 Jed Donahue 1
2005 Nathan's Hot Dog Eating Contest
Monday July 4, 2005
Preview
No. Name Hot Dogs
1 Takeru "Tsunami" Kobayashi 49
2 Sonya "Black Widow" Thomas (U.S. Record, Women's Record) 37
3 Joey "Jaws" Chestnut 32
4 Ed "Cookie" Jarvis 29
(tie) Keiji Oguni 29
6 Rich LeFevre 25½
7 Carlene LeFevre 25
8 Ron Koch 23
9 Tim Janus 22½
10 Eric Booker 22
(tie) Charles Hardy 22
12 Patrick "Pat From Moonachie" Philbin 20
13 Crazy Legs Conti 19
14 Joe LaRue 18
15 Don Lerman 15
16 Rob Burns 10
2004 Nathan's Hot Dog Eating Contest
Sunday July 4, 2004
Report
No. Name Hot Dogs
1 Takeru Kobayashi (World Record, Japanese Record) 53.5
2 Nobuyuki Shirota 38
3 Sonya Thomas (U.S. Record, Women's Record) 32
4 Rich LeFevre 27.76
5 (tie) Ed Jarvis/Eric Booker 27
7 (tie) Ron Koch/Carlene LeFevre 22
9 (tie) Oleg Zhornitskiy / Jim Reeves 21
11 Joe LaRue 20
12 Allen Goldstein 19
13 (tie) Charles Hardy/Don Lerman/Dale Boone 18

July 4, 2003

  • 1st - Takeru Kobayashi (44½)
  • 2nd - Ed "Cookie" Jarvis (30½, American record)
  • 3rd - Eric "Badlands" Booker (29)
  • 4th - Sonya Thomas (25, women's world record)
  • 20 competitors total. Included William "The Refrigerator" Perry (4 hot dogs)
  • 3,000 spectators in attendance
  • Report

July 4, 2001

  • 1st - Takeru Kobayashi (50, world record)
  • 2nd - Eric "Badlands" Booker (26)
  • 3rd - Oleg Zhornitskiy (25)
  • 20 competitors total

July 4, 2000

  • 1st - Kazutoyo "The Rabbit" Arai 新井和響 (25⅛, world record)
  • 2nd - Misao "Beast" Fujita, 藤田操 (24)
  • 3rd - Takako Akasaka 赤阪尊子 (22¼, women's world record)
  • 4th - Steve Addicks (21)
  • 5th - Charles "Hungry" Hardy (19)
  • Also competed- Steve "The Terminator" Keiner, Ed "The Maspeth Monster" Krachie, Dominic "Hot Dog" Vaccaro.

Stand-outs[edit]

Gerald Kilcourse[edit]

Gerald Kilcourse (April 3, 1931 - November 25, 1983) was a record holding contest champion. In 1950, at the age of 19, Kilcourse competed in that year's competition and won second place. In the following years, Kilcourse went on to win the next nine Nathan's contests, establishing several records in the contest. Most overall wins (nine); most consecutive titles (nine); and the most hotdogs eaten in ten minutes (21 in 1958). This was before the contest was changed to the 12-minute format for a period. (It has since been changed back to ten minutes.)[4]

In the 1960 contest, Kilcourse was disqualified in what some say was a controversial decision.[why?] Kilcourse vowed to never compete in the hotdog discipline again and he left competitive eating altogether.[citation needed]

As of 2013, he still holds the record for "most wins" and "most consecutive wins." His high of 21 for "total number of dogs eaten in ten minutes," however, has since been eclipsed.[5]

At the time of his death, Kilcourse was training for a comeback from his self-imposed retirement of over 23 years. He was preparing to compete in a chili spaghetti eating contest (which is commonly believed to be the toughest category in competitive eating.[citation needed]

  1. ^ http://www.kxmc.com/News/135183.asp
  2. ^ http://www.kxmc.com/News/135183.asp
  3. ^ Joey Chestnut Beats Takeru Kobayashi in 'OT' Downing 59 Nathan's Hot Dogs in 10-Minute Regulation.
  4. ^ Ripley's Believe It or Not
  5. ^ Note: This is mainly due to the newer technique of dunking the hotdog buns in liquid to aid in the speed of swallowing.
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