Talk:Need to Know (Doja Cat song)/GA1

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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 06:40, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]


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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()
3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()
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After you reviewed "Everything We Need", I will get on with this today! --K. Peake 06:40, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox and lead[edit]

  • Trap-pop is a redirect, so pipe these genres to their respective pages in the infobox
  • WP:OVERLINK of Doja Cat under songwriters
  • Mention in the first sentence that the song is from her third studio album, Planet Her (2021).
  • The writing/production sentence should be the second of the lead instead
  • Add a sentence directly before the release one mentioning when the song was confirmed followed by the teaser
    •  Not done, @K. Peake: not sure what you mean by this. Are you suggesting that the first sentence of the paragraph be moved to directly before the official release sentence? —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 16:46, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wikilink as rhythmic contemporary radio instead
  • "on August 31, 2021, as the third single" → "on August 31, as the third single." using "the album" earlier in this sentence
  • "It was written by" → "The song was written by"
  • Add info about comp and lyrics to the first para at the end
  • Start the second para with critical reception of "Need to Know"
  • Move the award to being the sentence before commercial
  • "Commercially, the song reached the top 10" it reached the top 10 in other countries too, so shouldn't you add the number then write, including...? Make sure everything here is written out in the body, though.
    • Rewrote the entire commercial sentence. Sorry for throwing spanners in the works but I think it reads better now —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 16:24, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Ireland and the United States." → "Ireland, and the United States."
  • Mention certifications after the chart positions sentence
  • Mention when the music video was released
    •  Not done Not relevant as its not done, and most music videos are released at the same time as the single anyway. —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 16:24, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "explores the nightlife environment" → "explores the futuristic environment"
  • Remove introductions to who the cameos are
  • Wikilink as Grimes

Background and release[edit]

  • "after being briefly mentioned during a cover story" → "after being mentioned in a cover story" to be less wordy
  • "with a futuristic teaser for the song's music video on her social media accounts," → "via a futuristic teaser on her Instagram," with the wikilink
  • "and that it was" → "and it was"
  • "for you to enjoy."" → "for you to enjoy"." per MOS:QUOTE
  • "released on all streaming platforms" → "released to streaming platforms" with the pipe
  • Wikilink music video and move the release to the music video section, however the 16 hours part is not sourced
    •  Partly done couldn't find a source for the exact time besides YouTube Data Viewer so I omitted it and wrote "soon after" the midnight single release to give the impression that the two weren't released simultaneously. —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 16:24, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The track listing and album art being announced are not sourced
  • "In July 2021, she" → "In August 2021, she"

Composition and lyrics[edit]

  • Pipe trap to Trap music and pop to Pop music on the audio sample text rather the wikilink that redirects to one
  • Wikilink synthesizers
  • Wikilink bassline
  • ""Need to Know" is a trap-pop" → "Musically, "Need to Know" is a trap-pop" with the pipes
  • Remove melodic rap since that is only an award that is sourced
  • "a "grinding sex jam"[18] driven by" → "a "grinding sex jam",[18] driven by"
  • Start the trap snares quote without vital because that is opinionated
  • [19] should only be invoked at the end of the sentence
  • "She claims to have been" → "She recalled having been"
  • "harsh raps" as well as" → "harsh raps", as well as"
  • "the lyrics find Doja Cat fantasizing about her" → "Doja Cat fantasizes about her"
  • "in which she describes her" → "in which the rapper describes her"
  • "described it as" → "described the song as"
    •  Partly done, used "track" to avoid the repetition of "the song" from the sentence before. —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 16:52, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "noted that she delivers" → "commented that she delivers"
  • "and climactic coos."" → "and climactic coos"." per MOS:QUOTE
  • Mention what publication Imogen Lawlor is from and also cut down the level of direct quoting per WP:QUOTEFARM
  • "of the release."" → "of the release"."
  • "The song is in the" → "The song is set in the" only if you can find a source for this and if so, move to the first para; remove elsewise

Critical reception[edit]

  • Retitle to Reception, merging the accolades here
  • Pipe Vulture to Vulture.com per MOS:LINK2SECT
  • The song is not mentioned on the best of 2021 list but if you can find what the original source was, add the name of the writer too
  • Cut down the amount of direct quoting from Uproxx after the first sentence; I think it would be better to start a sentence one with "Gracie elaborated that..." putting some into your own words
  • Remove pipe on Billboard
  • "noted that the record" → "said that the song"
  • "and that it "features" → "and it "features"
  • "on the microphone."" → "on the microphone"."
  • Kyle Denis is not mentioned as the writer for Billboard, also cut down the level of direct quoting here
  • Write out the nominations as the second para of this section

Commercial performance[edit]

  • "at number 38 on the" → "at number 38 on the US"
  • "Following the release of Doja Cat's album Planet Her, which the song was included on," → "Following the release of Planet Her,"
    •  Partly done, changed to "Following the release of its parent album, Planet Her" —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 16:46, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Per WP:CHARTTRAJ, remove numbers 32 and 20
  • "at number 9,[39] peaking at number 8 the" → "reaching number 9 and giving Doja Cat her 4th top 10.[39] It peaked at number eight the" per MOS:NUM
  • "then re-peaking again at that same position on" → "then remained at that position on"
    •  Not done, I'm fairly certain the weeks are separate from each other —VersaceSpace 🌃 13:03, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "That month, it also became" → "That month, the song also became"
  • Remove pipe on Billboard
  • Pipe Rhythmic to Rhythmic (chart)
  • Pipe Drake to Drake (musician)
  • Pipe Pop Airplay to Mainstream Top 40
  • "selling three million certified units in the country." → "amassing 3,000,000 certified units in the US." per MOS:US
  • "peaked at number 9 in the" → "peaked at number nine on the" but no source specifies the chart position here
  • The seventh top 40 hit part is unsourced
  • "It reach its peak position of" → "The song peaked at"
  • "and later earned a gold certification from" → "and later earned a gold certification in the country from"

Music video[edit]

  • Wikilink as Grimes instead on the img text
  • This section should begin with a mention of the video release
  • "the music video takes place in" → "The video takes place in"
  • [49][50][51][52][53] is too many refs grouped together; move around to resolve this
  • "Josephine Pearl Leewhich with cameo appearances" → "Josephine Pearl Leewhich, with cameo appearances" with the wikilink
  • Wikilink Grimes to himself
  • "futuristic cityscape before settling on" → "futuristic cityscape, before settling on" but a lot of this sentence is not mentioned by either source
  • "The scene changes" → "The scene then changes"
  • "and aliens where the group" → "and aliens, where the group"
  • Pipe shots to Shooter (drink)
  • "She begins to flirt with a man whom she shares a dance with before" → "Doja Cat begins to flirt with a man whom she spends time in the club with, before"
    •  Not done, as much as this avoids repetition, it completely changes the meaning of the sentence. —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 18:38, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "the video they return to the dancefloor before" → "the video, they return to the dancefloor, before" but none of this sentence is sourced
  • The video having a sudden ending is not mentioned by the source
  • "begged the question" → "begged the question," and mention the writer by name instead
  • Wikilink Twitter
  • "from another planet."" → "from another planet"." per MOS:QUOTE
  • Pipe green screen to Chroma key
  • "to do prosthetics for" → "to handle prosthetics for"
    •  Done, and added new content about the number of prosthetics people (from the same source) —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 18:38, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The usage of Unreal Engine is sourced, but not for the introduction

Accolades[edit]

  • Move this to being the second para of reception but not a sub-section
    •  Not done, not sure what you mean by this. Would you like it to be in prose? —VersaceSpace 🌃 20:54, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
     Done —VersaceSpace 🌃 14:28, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Charts[edit]

  • Good

Release history[edit]

  • Good

Notes[edit]

  • Good

References[edit]

    • By the way, @Kyle Peake: could you re-affirm the ref numbers? Some of these are off because they were reordered. —VersaceSpace 🌃 04:49, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Final comments and verdict[edit]

  •  On hold until all of the issues are fixed; this is a bit messy in parts but should be resolved alright! --K. Peake 11:23, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • VersaceSpace Regarding the changes that you are confused about, I meant the release sentence should use "the album" instead of its title which has been fixed now and write August 31 instead, so it is less repetitive. Also, the accolades should be a separate para in reception and written out in prose since one small table is not enough to warrant a full section. --K. Peake 09:16, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • VersaceSpace I have further comments for you; why does the Vulture ref not show "Need to Know" when I load it, can you replace the Twitter ref with a citation from Billboard magazine's website and when will you implement the remaining changes? --K. Peake 07:46, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Hi @Kyle Peake: I've been waiting for Cybertrip to implement some reference changes since they expanded the article, but it seems like he's a bit busy, would waiting for him be okay? Also, would you be fine with me removing the points that have been addressed with  Done. —VersaceSpace 🌃 14:10, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • VersaceSpace I would be fine with waiting for him, however what do you mean about removing the points? --K. Peake 07:39, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Never mind, I bolded the points that are incomplete for easy viewing. —VersaceSpace 🌃 15:30, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • ✓ Pass now, impressive job on this one! --K. Peake 20:25, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Cybertrip: we did it! —VersaceSpace 🌃 20:28, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @VersaceSpace: Periodd!! Good ass article (even though it says nothing about the reversed hi-hats haha). Thanks for nominating it and sorry I didn’t carry my load well enough. You’re a great editor :) —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 06:39, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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