Talk:Netta Eames

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Contested deletion[edit]

This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because... (your reason here) --Kevin Murray (talk) 17:38, 6 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This person was the editor of a well known magazine and recognized writer. She was effectively the mother in law of the author Jack London and his mentor as a writer in his early years.

Update[edit]

I have "improved" the article. provided a bibliography of works where there seems to be pertinent discussion of Netta Eames and related subject material, Though there are many sources, for the most part the information is similar, so I have only used a few in the inline citations. I am doing research on Jack London for local presentation in San Francisco, and in the process am running across a lot of information on Netta Eames; as I discover more I will build the information here. Thanks! --Kevin Murray (talk) 17:32, 7 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks! --Kevin Murray (talk) 18:37, 7 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Some notes on Eames' notability[edit]

Ninetta Eames' connection with Jack London was not simply a family relationship (which would not in itself qualify her as notable); the important connection is the role she played in his career. The reason she was able to play this role is that she was notable in her own right, as the influential editor of the Overland Monthly. The Overland Monthly was important in the development of U.S. literature on the West Coast--it might not be overstating it to say that in her day it was the Atlantic Monthly of the West.

She receives 14 index entries in Clarice Stasz's book, Jack London's Women. She is mentioned many times in the text of Earle Labor's Jack London: An American Life, eleven times in Alex Kershaw's Jack London: A Life, six times in Wolf: The Lives of Jack London by James L. Haley, and thus seems to meet the criterion of "significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject."

I guess it is no longer part of the official guidelines but my opinion is that she easily meets the old criterion of being "more notable than the average tenured professor."

Dpbsmith (talk) 18:07, 8 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

After some time has passed and the article has grown, I think it is time to remove the Notability tag. Thanks! --Kevin Murray (talk) 14:54, 17 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Netta Eames introducing Jack London to Anna Strunsky?[edit]

I posted a query in a Jack London mailing list to see if anyone had any comments on Netta's notability; I haven't gotten any comments on that, but Tarnel Abbott, a great-grandchild of Jack London, emailed me, doubting Netta's role, and saying "Jack and Anna met in 1899 at a Socialist Labor Party event, he knew Whittaker through the Socialist circle also perhaps as early as 1895." Dpbsmith (talk) 17:13, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Two people in the Jack London mailing list have supplied convincing source citations saying Jack London and Anna Strunsky met in 1899.

Tarnel Abbott cites:

Stasz, Clarice Jack London's Women p.56 Letters of Jack London p. 135 Letter from Jack to Anna Strunsky Meeting Whittaker: London, Joan Jack London & His Times p 126

Susan Nuernberg writes:

"Jack and Anna met in 1899 at a Socialist Labor Party event" -- yes, this is what James Boylan says in Revolutionary Lives on page 12, and what the editors of the Letters of Jack London say in a note on page 135.

I'm going to remove the claim that Eames introduced Jack London to Anna Strunsky. Dpbsmith (talk) 18:44, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I removed this:

In 1902 Netta introduced Jack London to her then lover (later husband) Edward Payne, who then introduced London to socialists Jim Whitiker and Anna Strunsky, who became his lover. Payne had succeeded James Howard Bridge as the Editor of the Overland Monthly in 1899, and was a co-owner in Wake Robin Lodge."

I removed the first sentence because of doubts. I removed the second because, although sourced and cited, it didn't seem to make sense without the previous sentence.

By all means reinsert if you can provide a source. Dpbsmith (talk) 18:49, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with removing the Anna Strunsky comment. As you say the rest of the discussion of Edward Payne is insignificant, so I included it in a footnote related to the Wake Robin Lodge of which he was a part owner. Thanks! --Kevin Murray (talk) 16:36, 13 February 2018 (UTC) PS: I'm thrilled to have Tarnell Abbott reviewing this article.[reply]