Talk:New Netherlander

Peter Minuit spoke English[edit]

Errr. Any proof? And to what degree? He would certainly speak more Dutch, French or German than English (a minor language after all in those days) I would say since both of his parents were French speaking, worked for a Dutch company and was born in Germany... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.143.217.180 (talk) 23:02, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Religious languages??[edit]

and possibly Hebrew.^{[citation needed]}. Have decided to remove, since the use of Hebrew, and possibly Latin, in relgious services in this sense were "private", as opposed to vehicular. Djflem (talk) 23:04, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

it is also likely that Latin was used as a liturgical language, but could one consider it a "spoken" or vehicular tonguw?Djflem (talk) 10:07, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

First Moslims[edit]

From the Dutch site, Nieuw-Nederland, unfortuntely without references:

Enkele van de eerste Nederlandse kolonisten waren moslims, te weten Anthony en Abraham Janse van Haerlem-Salee. Zij waren de zonen van Jan Janse van Haerlem-Salee, een beruchte piraat die rond de Middellandse Zee opereerde en zich bekeerd had tot de islam, en de Moorse Margarita.

Door het slechte gedrag van Anthony's vrouw werd hij gedwongen Gravesend, Manhattan te verlaten en zo werd hij de eerste kolonist van Brooklyn. Coney Island heeft zijn naam pas gekregen in de 19e eeuw; daarvoor heette het Turk's Island. Turk was de verwijzing naar Salee die ook wel "The Terrible Turk" of Mulat werd genoemd.

Anthony is altijd moslim gebleven, een nakomeling vond in 1886 zijn Koran en een familielid, Catherine Gulick, vertelde dat die al generaties in de familie was en afkomstig van een vroege emigrant uit de familie, genaamd de Turk; de familie was geschokt dat binnen een streng christelijke familie, hun Nederlandse voorvader Moslim was, de Koran werd door Richard M. Johnson uit Kingston, New Jersey voor $ 100 aan een verzamelaar uit Philadelphia verkocht.

De Salees zijn de voorouders van de Vanderbilts, de Whitneys, de presidentsweduwe Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy Onassis en de filmster Humphrey Bogart.

A rough translation: (without contradictory info) Some of the first New Netherland colonists were moslims, namely Anthony en Abraham Janse van Haerlem-Salee,the sons of Jan Janse van Haerlem-Salee (a private who operated in the Mediterrean who had converted to Islam) and Moorse Margarita

Because of Anthony's wife's poor behaviour they were forced to leave New Amsterdam and settled on Coney Island, the first to do so. Coney Island did not recieve its name until the 19th century (??), but was called Turk's Island, inference to Salee's nickname, "The Terrible Turk".

Apparently the Salees remained Moslim. In 1886, a descendent found a Koran, which according to family member Caherine Gulick, hsd been n the family for years and originally belong to an ancestor named Turk. the family was shcoked that the Dutch forefather of the of the strict christian family was a Moslim. The sold the book to a collector in Phildelphia for $100.

The Salees descendents include the Vanderbilts, Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy Onassis and Humphrey Bogart.

At the least, the part about Coney Island is wrong as the name is attested from Dutch maps in the 1600's. Rmhermen (talk) 18:42, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in New Netherlander[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of New Netherlander's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "island":

From Willem Kieft: Russell Shorto, The Island at the Center of the World: The Epic Story of Dutch Manhattan and the Forgotten Colony that Shaped America. First Edition. New York City: Vintage Books (a Division of Random House, 2004. ISBN: 1-4000-7867-9
From Collegiate Reformed Protestant Dutch Church: Shorto, Russell, The Island at the Center of the World: The Epic Story of Dutch Manhattan and the Forgotten Colony that Shaped America. New York City: Vintage Books, 2004. ISBN: 1-4000-7867-9
From Greenwich, Connecticut: "Crew member passes on stories about island", by Michael Dinan, an article in the Greenwich Time August 7, 2006. When the public first began visiting this island, a casino existed here.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 00:20, 2 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Whoa[edit]

Woefully disorganized, idiosyncratic grammar, phrases that don't amount to sentences, a surfeit of non sequiturs. Some serious tweaking is in order. - Also blatant factual inaccuracies. Mannanan51 (talk) 01:55, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Croats?[edit]

https://www.croatia.org/crown/croatians/www.croatians.com/NEW%20YORK%20CROATIANS.htm

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_Americans

What part Croats took in the Dutch colony needs explanation... 76.177.11.75 (talk) 23:32, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]