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Wrong link.[edit]

The hyperlink doesn't point to the party's actual site but to the site not affiliated with the party or Peter Omtzigt, but just happened to have the same name. Lwh (talk) 00:32, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

CDA[edit]

@Ætoms: why are you fine with NSC being labelled as CDA split? Braganza (talk) 13:40, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I assume you're referring to my reversion of your edit at Farmer–Citizen Movement. I don't really have strong opinions on whether NSC split from the CDA, but BBB certainly did not. The establishment of NSC is a consequence of Omtzigt leaving the CDA group in the House of Representatives. Van der Plas just happens to be a former member of the CDA, but that doesn't make her party a breakaway from the CDA. — Ætoms ^[talk] 14:07, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

i will ask for a third opinion

Van der Plas is still the leader of the party and she was only 6 months before she founded BBB a member of CDA while Omtzigt left two years ago Braganza (talk) 14:14, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Ætoms. It is true that v.d. Plas was formerly a member of the CDA, but she was just a lay person. I do not know the specifics of the BBB's establishment but I would consider a party to have split off from another party if it was an elected official, or a group of party officials, who left the other party to establish the new party. Horarum (talk) 16:02, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Braganza on this. I think that in both cases, despite the different timeframes, the birth of the new party was caused by the leader being discontent with its former party, and therefore there's causailty justifying the definition of both as CDA splits. Fm3dici97 (talk) 16:30, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

BBB did not split as it was never in parliament. If people think it is please come with sources wich specific states "afsplitsing van CDA" Shadow4dark (talk) 17:46, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

parties dont have have to be in parliament to be splits, like what about extra-parliamentary parties can't they split too? Braganza (talk) 05:04, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

btw the source used for BBB to be christian democratic describes them as an heir to their thought [1] so the idea that they are an off-spring is there and already included in the article Braganza (talk) 09:37, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It states that BBB shares same cristian ideology and policies but still unclear source if it is a offshoot of CDA. If we add CDA it will be not backed by sources but placed as opinion by Wikipedia users wich fails on WP:OR Shadow4dark (talk) 09:48, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

where is the source that NSC is a splitter from CDA?

and you still didnt replied to my question if you think extra-parliamentary can split or not? Braganza (talk) 11:46, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Bis 2019 gehörte Van der Plas der christdemokratischen Partei CDA an. Nach ihrem Parteiaustritt zählte sie zu den Gründern der BoerBurgerBeweging, deren Parteivorsitzende sie ist.

Die 55-Jährige war in ihrer Heimatstadt Deventer bis 2018 Mitglied des Christen-Democratisch Appèl (CDA), der traditionell stärksten politischen Kraft auf dem Land. Aus den Reihen des CDA kommen auch viele Mitglieder und Abgeordnete der BBB sowie ein Großteil ihrer Wählerschaft.

Vor der BBB-Gründung war sie Mitglied beim christdemokratischen CDA, dem sie nun mächtig Stimmen abgejagt hat.

all imply that BBB is a splitter group Braganza (talk) 11:56, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I believe these are fringe sources except Le Monde Shadow4dark (talk) 01:28, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Süddeutsche Zeitung is fringe? Braganza (talk) 08:45, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Shadow4dark: so is there now anything which speaks against calling them a CDA splitter group? Braganza (talk) 21:10, 13 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

i still see this as fringe viewpoint as i can't find Dutch quality sources. Shadow4dark (talk) 01:41, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

there have been other parties which are arguably less splitters like Chega which are still described as such Braganza (talk) 08:18, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why is Social Market Economy listed as an ideology?[edit]

Isn't that already considered within Christan Democracy? I've never seen another Christan Democratic party have social market economy listed, as Christian Democracy itself already promotes a social market economy. ZlatanSweden10 (talk) 11:17, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, together with communitarian it should be put in body as it is sub of Christian democracy]] Shadow4dark (talk) 15:31, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Categories[edit]

@Helper201 Category:Christian democratic parties in Europe is a parent category of Category:Confessional parties in the Netherlands. It's why Christian Democratic Appeal isn't in the former category either. See WP:PARENTCAT. Luxorr (talk) 21:27, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Luxorr okay, thanks for the explanation. Sorry for the mistake on my part. Helper201 (talk) 13:37, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]