Talk:New World Order (The Falcon and the Winter Soldier)

Potential ref

/Film interview, described as a discussion on the first episode. It read a little bit as "over-arching" for the series, but maybe after the first episode has released, there will be some good material to add in. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:53, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

FYI, I have added details from this source. - adamstom97 (talk) 02:45, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Ethnicity

Someone wrote in the plot section "an elder Chinese man named Yori" but this seems unlikely. Actor Ken Takemoto who plays Yori is an American from Hawaii with Japanese parents.[1] His son is played by Akie Kotabe another American actor, from a Japanese family.[2] It is far more likely that the characters are supposed to be American (or Japanese American) not Chinese.

The reviewer at TheRinger thought the character was Japanese.[3] The reviewer at Slate thought the character was Japanese too.[4] Also Vulture.com thought he was Japanese.[5]

We probably don't need to mention his ethnicity at all, so I'm going to remove it from the Plot section. -- 109.78.198.254 (talk) 04:39, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Don't worry, it has been removed already. —El Millo (talk) 04:40, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

I was about to change it, then I noticed User:Facu-el Millo had reverted the plot section to a better version that does not mention the old man's ethnicity at all. Hopefully no one will try to add it back in again. -- 109.78.198.254 (talk) 04:53, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Fans reaction

I added some text about the fan reaction to the new Captain America on the Russian Wikipedia. Maybe it also will transfer here? — Vladlen Manilov (talk) 05:15, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

What? It is not clear what you mean. Fan reactions always faces the problem of finding reliable sources.

Google Translate was being difficult but I eventually got it to work and apparently some users reacted to John Walker by posting the tag #NotMyCap

If it gains more traction and reliable sources in mainstream media decide to report on it then maybe it could be added. It seems to have gotten a little coverage from places that report on fandom but it does not seem to have made a big enough impact for more mainstream sources to report on it. It is still possible that reviewers will mention it or discuss fan reaction when episode 2 airs, but editors should be very careful about finding reliable sources when attempting to comment on fan reaction. -- 109.79.80.28 (talk) 15:58, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Episode images

@Jhenderson777:, @TriiipleThreat:, @Facu-el Millo: @BD2412:, @Gonnym: @Jedi94:, @Trailblazer101:, @InfiniteNexus:, @Sir Magnus:, @(a)nnihilation97:, @Bloodyboppa:, @Favre1fan93:, @LoreMaster22: @SirLou:, @Adamstom.97:, @Netoholic:, @Starforce13: What would you say about having a still from the episode in the infobox for each episode of TFATWS, since there are no episode title cards? An example of this being done is Happy Ending (Schitt's Creek), a WP:GA. IronManCap (talk) 18:50, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Currently discussing using the released posters at Power Broker's talk page here. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:52, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

@Favre1fan93: Thanks, I didn’t know about that. Sorry for the unnecessary pings then. IronManCap (talk) 18:56, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

All good. You can join that discussion if you like, since it will most likely end up applying to all episodes if consensus is to use those posters. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:57, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Source for music section expansion

I found this interview that could be used. I will work on it when I have time. https://www.syfy.com/sites/syfy/themes/custom/syfy_amp/favicon.ico Squeezdakat (talk) 14:52, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Nevermind, I realized the series article already has them Squeezdakat (talk) 11:55, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

GAN

@Favre1fan93 @Adamstom.97 @ZooBlazer Hey guys, so I was thinking if this article was perhaps ready for a GAN. Do you guys think it's ready or is there anything more that should be done? Dcdiehardfan (talk) 17:45, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

I think there is still more work to be done at these episode articles which I discussed at the series article at one point. I think some of the Phase Four film articles are closer to being ready which is why I recently went ahead with work on Black Widow and Shang-Chi rather than continue with the exact release order here. - adamstom97 (talk) 18:03, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

@Adamstom.97 Congrats on getting Black Widow to GA status. With that being said, do you have any suggestions on what info needs to be added, for this article in particular? I can only see maybe Reception needing to be a bit more fleshed out with a review or so, but I think there is ample production content. Dcdiehardfan (talk) 19:01, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

This one seems close. I'll try to lend a clean up hand. I don't believe I'm sitting on any articles in my personal saved list to add. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 01:56, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

I guess just looking at episode 1 of WandaVision as sort of a template, some info on editing, or additional info on filming or VFX could be added if anymore can be found. It might already be pretty much covered though based on my memory of searching in the past. I know it won't be the same amount as WandaVision based on the overall media coverage. -- ZooBlazer^talk 02:27, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

I got one source for filming, and I'll work to see if I have any other material. On this note, I'll just put the link here for myself, and also in case anyone else wants to integrate it [6] and [7], which is VFX info on the opening action sequence. Also, note to add the Dobbins ARB as a filming location as per this [8] Dcdiehardfan (talk) 04:15, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Also just a note for me, again, but this source is used for the "hot potato" action sequence [9] Dcdiehardfan (talk) 04:16, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

@Adamstom.97 @Favre1fan93 @ZooBlazer Alright I've added some more filming and VFX info. Do you guys think that's enough or is there any other content that needs to be added? I think we got all the bases, if not all, covered as of now. Dcdiehardfan (talk) 21:59, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

At this point, it's probably about as good as it's gonna get for info, so I'd say it's probably ready. A full page ce may be useful first though. -- ZooBlazer^talk 22:14, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

@ZooBlazer Yea, a CE is definitely in order. Once that's done, I think I'll ask the question, who would like to nominate this for GA? I think it should either be adam or Favre as they have been amongst the biggest contributors to the article. Dcdiehardfan (talk) 22:41, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

@Dcdiehardfan Yeah, I'd say they have first dibs, but if they don't want to do it, you qualify as one of the top contributors now it looks like. -- ZooBlazer^talk 22:51, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

@ZooBlazer Sounds good. Would you perhaps like to do a full-page CE in the meantime and then proceed to Episode 2? Dcdiehardfan (talk) 20:22, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Previously I had told you guys not to wait for me to try get these to GA, but I have had a lot more time recently for wiki work and would be keen to help out. I would like to do what I did for Black Widow and Shang-Chi where I did a full c/e and review for anything I felt was missing. So maybe if you want to continue with the work you have been discussing in this section and let me know when you are done, and then I can go through and do a final review before we make a decision? - adamstom97 (talk) 22:31, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

@Adamstom.97 Welcome back! With that being said, I'm very pleased to inform you that I have indeed made substantial edits in the last few days and inserted more writing and filming/VFX content (I've integrated all the sources above), so I believe we are ready for your full page CE/review. Dcdiehardfan (talk) 22:36, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Are you planning to make similar changes to all of the episode articles or just the first two? I was thinking we could get all of the episodes ready, nominate the first one, make any applicable changes from the first review to the other episode articles, nominate all of them, and once all the episode articles are GA we can nominate the series article. I don't remember if that is the exact order we did it in for WandaVision but it is similar. - adamstom97 (talk) 22:45, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

@Adamstom.97 I'm definitely planning on sticking around and helping to improve all the episode articles. I agree that using this article's future GAR as a template for improving other articles, but I think we should go ahead and proceed with a GAR for each article when we think it's ready rather than simply waiting around till all of them are done and then going back for Ep 1 and whatnot. So my order would look like this: NWO GA prep -> NWO GAR (implementation and promotion) -> Freelance and integrate info across all the episode articles -> Go sequentially and get GARs going for each article once ready -> Repeat process until all articles are promoted Dcdiehardfan (talk) 23:20, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

I'll be around to help with the series and episode articles as well if needed. -- ZooBlazer^talk 23:34, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Wonderful! I would also like to inform everyone here that I have also performed a preliminary edit on Ep 2, inserting additional writing content there. Dcdiehardfan (talk) 00:49, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

@Adamstom.97 Any updates on if you will potentially plan on going through with a whole page CE? Dcdiehardfan (talk) 23:28, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

This is definitely on my radar for the near future. - adamstom97 (talk) 23:47, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

@Adamstom.97 Alright no worries. Just make sure to notify us either when you're ready for the CE or when it's been completed! Dcdiehardfan (talk) 02:16, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Hey @Adamstom.97! I hope everything's going well with you thus far. This is just a gentle reminder that hopefully, at your discretion, you will be able to take a good look over the article and see if it's fit for GAN. Also pinging @ZooBlazer to ensure that I have renewed interest in getting the getting the series to GA status. Dcdiehardfan (talk) 03:14, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

@Dcdiehardfan: Yeah, I should still be able to help now that I'm in a waiting period on a few of my other wiki projects. @Favre1fan93 and Trailblazer101: either of you want to help knock out this project that's been slowly progressing for a while? -- ZooBlazer 03:41, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

I've recently been getting into a lot of c/e-ing projects for the recent superhero adaptations, and this is one that is next on the docket for me to help take a stab at. Trailblazer101 (talk) 04:25, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

@Trailblazer101 Nice! I'm looking forward to hearing your feedback. I personally think that there is absolutely enough information in the article for it to become a GA, and all that's really left at this point is just additional CE and so on. Dcdiehardfan (talk) 23:13, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

It looks pretty good to me unless someone has some refs they've had saved that need added still. The only real short section is music, but I'm not sure if there's much episode specific info for that. -- ZooBlazer 23:45, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Yea, maybe at most for Music, we would need to insert a table that has all the tracks used in the episode, although I'm not sure if that's necessary. Btw, is it ok with you all if I initiate the nomination and I add you folks as co-noms? Dcdiehardfan (talk) 23:51, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

I'd wait to see if Trailblazer wants to do his c/e work first -- ZooBlazer 00:01, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

@ZooBlazer For sure. I was just asking if that was ok after all the GA prepwork was finished, but I suppose I shouldn't be getting to ahead of myself. Dcdiehardfan (talk) 00:21, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

I personally don't mind if you are the nominator, but it's probably up to @Favre1fan93 and/or @Adamstom.97 as they're the top 2 contributors currently -- ZooBlazer 00:28, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Zoo. The question was addressed with everybody in mind, but yea. It's been a while since I've also looked at the article. I'll take another quick scan of the article and do some CE and see if there's anything that I think needs addressing. Dcdiehardfan (talk) 00:37, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

I appreciate everyone's enthusiasm and hard work, but I personally feel we have too many outstanding GA nominations that have not even been started to be adding another too. Beyond that, I also don't have the time/interest currently to return to this for GA nominations and won't plan to nominate it. Adam may feel differently, but I know they are currently less active. If the work gets done to make it all good to go for a nom, and then on to the next episode, then great. I just don't think we should be flooding GAN with more noms, when it says there are currently 534 waiting to be reviewed, three of which currently are MCU related. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 00:59, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

I'd argue we'd be helping out the TV section by adding more variety with all of those TV affiliates currently nominated

In all seriousness I'm fine with waiting a little bit more if necessary. Hopefully the February backlog drive actually happens. -- ZooBlazer 01:47, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

I know I have a backlog of ce-ing I'm working on at the moment, so I won't be getting to this one anytime soon, though it is on my radar. Trailblazer101 (talk) 02:06, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

No worries folks. There's no need to rush this. and I'm glad we're all putting this on our radar. This project has taken a while to get rolling so these are all very welcoming signs. I would love to hear from Adam soon but ofc understand that he may be busy IRL, and we won't GAN until we get his approval. Nevertheless, good luck on CEing and if you ever need assistance or help, I'm always here to lend a hand, to the best of my abillity. Dcdiehardfan (talk) 02:13, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

This has been on-and-off my radar and I have been less available for Wiki in general of late. I did some work on the main article recently and have some more work planned. If we aren't in a rush then I am happy to keep chipping away at this and come back to this thread in a bit. - adamstom97 (talk) 22:04, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

I think getting at least the first noms (first 2-3 episodes?) done next month if possible would be good because it seems like there will in fact be a backlog drive. Obviously if that doesn't work out, then it's not a big deal since there's no rush as has been mentioned already. -- ZooBlazer 22:11, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

@Adamstom.97 I'm glad to hear from you again. We're not in a rush, but I think we would like to get this done ahead of the Feb GA backlog as Zoo said. Our plan was to break it up into chunks, and @ZooBlazer I believe we decided on nomming the first 2 episodes, and the overall macro plan being that Zoo takes the odd numbered episodes while I take the even ones in terms of putting for the GANs, if that's all right with you? But either way, the two big outstanding items on the agenda now at this point is CE of the Ep 1 and Ep 2 really, and I think we should be in good shape for the GANs. Dcdiehardfan (talk) 01:41, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

@ZooBlazer @Adamstom.97 @Trailblazer101 @Favre1fan93 Pinging everyone who is interested. I just wanted to notify everyone that I have gone through and added content across all the episodes and that we're ready to proceed with the CE whenever you're ready for it. :) Dcdiehardfan (talk) 02:46, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Done, finally. Sorry it took me so long. - adamstom97 (talk) 05:06, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

@Adamstom.97 I'm glad. I noticed that @Gonnym had recently being making some edits regarding WP:DUPLINK stuff in the Casting section. I believe that Adamstom is right in terms of delinking them since they've already been linked above and disagree it's WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS as it specifically is an MCU precedent, however again, I believe it warrants some discussion. I'd also like to refute the notion that Also, no one asked you to go and fix all the other articles now, just scroll above, we have always intended for Adam to do a comprehensive CE of the article prior to GAN, and other editors can also attest to that. -Dcdiehardfan (talk) 23:34, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Then you gave him more work then he clearly wants to. Gonnym (talk) 16:26, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

First of all, I didn't "give" him any work, as Adam affirmed his interest in helping CE the article. And second of all, if Adam doesn't want to, he can always relinquish the responsibility; this is purely a voluntary endeavor. Dcdiehardfan (talk) 18:50, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

There is no need to throw labels snd make assumptions. Remember, WP:AGF. Let’s keep this section focused on the GA prep, please. Trailblazer101 (talk) 19:13, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Casting section links

@Adamstom.97 and Gonnym: I'm starting this in order to prevent an edit war between you.

For those unaware, I think the issue boils down to whether cast members should be linked in the casting section for easy to find wikilinks for readers or if they should not be linked due to them already being linked in previous sections, so this could be a case of WP:DUPLINKS. -- ZooBlazer 16:00, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Just to bring up some insight, this was broadly discussed at the MCU taskforce talk regarding WP:DUPLINK now allowing linking of important/helpful terms for the first time in each section now, not simply for the first time it appears after the lead. The exact links provided for this can be found there, and this was primarily discussed as applying to the Phase links in the "Release" section. Trailblazer101 (talk) 17:11, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

FWIW, since that MCU task discussion, the wording at DUPLINK has been changed to ... the first occurrence in a major section (bolding mine). So I don't know if a "major" section would be defined as a just a level 2 heading (so only one in the first entire production section) or if level 3 headings count (then it could be linked in development, plus casting). - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:51, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Here's a new discussion at MOS:LINKING discussing this added wording/intent of DUPLINK. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:10, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

If there is consensus that the casting section is exempt from DUPLINK for actor and character articles then I have no problem with that, but that isn't what was done here. Gonnym was removing the links from the first instance in the production section which there has never been consensus for and we do not do for any other MCU article. It's bizarre that they started an edit war over this as if I was the one doing something out of ordinary. - adamstom97 (talk) 19:41, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Either you strike your comments or we can escalate this personal attack. Where in [10] did I [remove] the links from the first instance in the production section which there has never been consensus for and we do not do for any other MCU article.? Gonnym (talk) 16:39, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

In the hopes of preventing this from veering somewhere it ought not to, as this isn't something that needs to become uncivil (we all know we don't need that), so I would encourage all parties to cool down and keep a level head. At the end of the day, this comes down to WP:LOCALCONSENSUS on how to best link to relevant articles in these articles. Let's not get sidetracked and retain the discussion about the linking and the articles, please, not focusing on other editors. Trailblazer101 (talk) 16:53, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Apologies, I accidentally attributed a previous edit from another user to you Gonnym. - adamstom97 (talk) 20:14, 28 February 2024 (UTC)