Talk:Nick Stuart

Subdivision

Hi. Not sure why you feel the county, rather than Transylvania is the more important subdivision. Can you please explain why? I can't think of another film bio which has the county listed (unless they were born in an unincorporated area). Also, you added information in the first paragraph of the article (not the lead), which isn't supported by the reference (re: ethnic family). Do you have a citation for that. Thanks. Onel5969 (talk) 22:40, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

The first part of your question has a simple answer: see Template:Infobox person. Under "birth_place", it reads: "Place of birth: city, administrative region, sovereign state. Use the name of the birthplace at the time of birth."

The city where he was born was called Abrudbánya in 1904. As for "administrative region", Transylvania lost its administrative status in 1867 (see Principality of Transylvania (1711–1867) for that). The only administrative region of which was a part in 1904 was therefore Alsó-Fehér County. (Moreover, Transylvania has no administrative status today, either.) As for the state, while the Lands of the Crown of Saint Stephen had some state-like features, they were ultimately part of Austria-Hungary.

Thus, if we are to go by the instructions, and there's no reason not to, the line should read: Abrudbánya, Alsó-Fehér County, Austria-Hungary (now Abrud, Alba County, Romania).

When you bring up other film biographies, you're probably thinking of American actors like Gary Cooper (Helena, Montana, U.S.), Bette Davis (Lowell, Massachusetts, U.S.) or Lon Chaney (Colorado Springs, Colorado, U.S.). Those entries are as they should be: city, administrative region (i.e., U.S. state), sovereign state (I.e., U.S.). When we're dealing with Austria-Hungary, though (at least Transleithania; Cisleithania was a bit more complicated), "city, administrative region, sovereign state" translates into "city, county, Austria-Hungary".

As for the second part, I admit that, strictly speaking, it could be construed as original research, if it weren't something immediately apparent, as well as worth mentioning. (As of now, "Romania(n)" is mentioned only in the infobox and the categories.) Why immediately apparent? Well, for one, Abrud was among the few towns in Transylvania with an ethnic Romanian majority: in 1910, when our subject was six, it had 6316 Romanians, 1329 Hungarians, 35 Germans, 6 Slovaks and 69 others. For another, his surname is Romanian, although it's actually spelled "Prața" ("tz" barely exists in Romanian; that's a mid-20th century Americanism), and his birth name was actually Nicolae. In fact, even today, in Baia de Arieș (20 miles from Abrud, 99%+ ethnic Romanian), there's a Nicolae Prața. So there's no serious question he was ethnic Romanian, and it's something worth mentioning.

To sum up: the infobox changes should be restored, per the parameter and the above explanation. The ethnicity should also be mentioned, although I will not insist on that if you truly see it as the product of original research. - Biruitorul ^Talk 01:56, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Biruitorul... makes sense now regarding the county. I do have an issue with the Romanian comment, however, to me it does seem like WP:OR. I'll revert my own revert and make the change on the ethnic thing. Again, thanks for such a comprehensive answer. Onel5969 (talk) 03:39, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Passed as GA

Promoted to GA quality, if editors wish to see ideas, review is at: Talk:Nick Stuart/GA1. — Cirt (talk) 05:03, 12 October 2015 (UTC)