Talk:Nikita Filatov

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Article milestones
DateProcessResult
February 6, 2010Good article nomineeListed
June 6, 2010Peer reviewReviewed
July 26, 2010Featured article candidateNot promoted
August 31, 2010Featured article candidatePromoted
Current status: Featured article

Hockey's Future[edit]

Since I got chastised for using HF as a reference from a rude admin on the Victor Hedman article, I was wondering from an impartial viewer what the stance is on using Hockey's Future as a source on prospects? I believe that it's the #1 source of the Internet about prospects and has become a reputable source. Others believe it is still "blog sourced" content. Not to be a jerk or anything, I just don't like to see a double standard. We either should be allowed to use it or shouldn't. --Fallman123 (talk) 18:07, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see where you were chastised by a rude admin. Be mindful of WP:NPA. I actually don't understand what this particular instance is referencing: Filatov was the top ranked Euro in the draft (just check the CSS or ISS final rankings). That's a verifiable fact. Either way: Your Victor Hedman instance is referencing Simon Richard's (who???) speculation that Hedman might go 1st next year. ccwaters (talk) 14:21, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Review of article[edit]

Since User:Canada Hky asked for a review of the article, here's my quick overview of the article, and some key points that I always look for:

  • Don't worry about using dates in lead (ex. "selected ... in the 2008 NHL Entry Draft on June 20, 2008," "He signed a professional contract with the Blue Jackets on July 10, 2008.") Just include what happened (selected in draft, signed with CBJ some time after, etc). The lead is supposed to be a summary of the article; including specific dates is usually not part of a summary.
  • Try not to use one-sentence paragraphs, like the one mentioning he was picked by Sudbury in the CHL import draft. If possible, incorporate it into one of the other paragraphs, or expand on it. The single sentence looks tacky and just plain ugly, especially when the rest of the article is so much fuller.
  • As far as I'm aware, the Russian Superleague was a pro league, yet his career in the RSL is listed under the heading "Junior hockey." Rather than force you to rewrite the entire section, I'd suggest changing the headings, possibly something like "Russia" and "North America" or along those lines. At the very least, there is no need to add "hockey" to the heading; the article is about a hockey player, the hockey heading then become rather redundant.
  • Like mentioned above, the Personal life section needs to be reformed. Suggestions (if possible) to expand it are add his parents names, and siblings (if applicable); where he grew up; while not really applicable now, did he live in Columbus, or continue to stay in Russia? Things like this are good for expansion.
  • Put the awards into a fancy looking box (see: Joe Sakic/Jarome Iginla for examples); I may be wrong on this, but I do believe we have the awards going after the career stats.
  • Don't really need the "See also" section; it really adds nothing to the article.
  • References should all have: author names, date published, publisher, url (if appicable), page (if applicable), access date, and ISBN (if appicable). Make sure to only use reliable sources; sites like Russian Prospects may have trouble in the future (unless you are willing to prove it is reliable enough (I'm not an expert on this, so consult WP:RS for details); other sites like eSportz and the Bleacher Report are probably not going to pass the RS test.

Thats all I saw without actually looking through the article. However, from my quick glance, it looks good, really good. I would even consider a GA nom, or with some copyediting, an FA nom. Look forward to seeing what happens. Kaiser matias (talk) 03:12, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Nikita Filatov/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: -- BigDom 19:50, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments[edit]

Lead
  • First paragraph is a bit verbose, I would suggest something along the lines of: "currently playing for CSKA Moscow of the Kontinental Hockey League (KHL) under a loan agreement from National Hockey League (NHL) team Columbus Blue Jackets." The lead should be a concise summary, so there is no need to make it as long-winded as it is currently.
  • Since both paragraphs in the lead are quite short, they should probably be merged together or expanded.
  • The spelling and grammar is correct in the lead section.
Junior
  • "since he was 13-years-old" implies it has been continuous. I would change this to "from the age of 13"
  • "Filatov, "We've..."" ---> "Filatov, saying "We've...""
  • At the end of the same sentence, there shouldn't be a space between the speech marks and the citation.
Professional
  • It says that the signing caused uproar in the KHL, is there a reference to back this up? Otherwise, it sounds like a point of view. If there isn't a reference, maybe "controversy" would be a better word.
  • In the same sentence, the abbreviation KHL has already been used in the lead, so there's no need to write the name out in full again.
  • "(IIHF)" should be added after International Ice Hockey Federation since the acronym is used later in the paragraph.
  • Same thing with the AHF in the following paragraph.
  • Wikilink the first mention of hat trick to hat trick#Hockey
  • "Blue Jacket's" ---> "Blue Jackets"
  • "after this season" is a statement that will quickly become out-of-date, and should be changed to the years of the current season (I assume this is 2009–10)
  • "2010-11 season, "I hope..." ---> "2010–11 season, stating "I hope..."
  • 2010-2011 should be 2010–11
  • Articles should be accessible to all readers, but readers unfamiliar with hockey might not understand the term "GM" so the full term "general manager" should be used.
International
  • The first two paragraphs are both about his under-18 appearances so they should be put together.
  • "During this tournament" ---> "During the tournament"
  • It says that in the bronze medal match in 2008, Filatov was named Russia's best player. It should be explained whether this was an official award by the tournament organisers or otherwise. This only needs to be done the first time player of the game is mentioned (unless, of course, they are not all the same type of award)
  • "The Russians again captured the bronze medal" ---> "The Russian team..."
  • "The tournament was a disappointment for the Russians" – this is a point of view
  • "5th place" ---> "fifth place"
Personal life
  • "Nikita's parents are Silva and Yelena" ---> "Filatov's parents are named Silva and Yelena"
  • This section is quite short, but I can understand that such a young player will not have much coverage of his personal life yet so I don't really see this as a problem.
Rest of article
  • The Awards and Career statistics sections are both fine.
General comments
  • All scores (e.g. 4-2, 5-2) and year ranges (2006-07 etc.) should have en-dashes

Overall, this is a fairly well written article that will become a Good Article with a bit more work. I will gladly pass this once the comments have been addressed. -- BigDom 20:54, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review. I believe I have addressed all of these edits, with one exception - instead of typing out general manager, I added the abbreviation (GM) after its first usage in the article. I think I got the dashes rigth, but if not please let me know. Canada Hky (talk) 01:32, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I fixed the dashes using a script, but apart from that the comments have been suitably addressed.

Criteria check[edit]

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

  1. Is it reasonably well written?
    A. Prose quality:
    B. MoS compliance:
  2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
    A. References to sources:
    B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:
    C. No original research:
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. Major aspects:
    B. Focused:
  4. Is it neutral?
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. Is it stable?
    No edit wars, etc:
  6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
    A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
    B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail:


The article meets the GA criteria, so I will pass this one now. -- BigDom 08:20, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

His father`s name[edit]

The name of Nikita`s father cannot be Slava, since his patronym is Vasilyevich meaning that the father`s name is Vasiliy. - ArcticleCreater (talk) 20:50, 12 March 2010 (UTC) ArcticleCreater[reply]

Have a source which states his father's name as something different than the one cited? Canada Hky (talk) 23:32, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"Slava" is a short name for various names. Most likely his name was "Vasily". Regards.--Tomcat (7) 14:49, 14 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

too much information?[edit]

While this article is certainly well written and accurate, it seems far too long considering that this player appears to be an absolute bust as a pro player. There are articles here for HOF players that don't contain anywhere near this much information. I intend to begin removing some of the less relevant information, assuming there are no arguments. Freshfighter9talk 17:59, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I guess I would need some examples of what you feel needs to be removed, but because other players anent up to snuff doesn’t seem like a reason to remove info. Also the majority of the information in the article was included when this page went through FA review, perhaps I am wrong in my assumption but I would have thought that completely frivolous info would have been asked to be removed during the review. While he has been a bust he has still had a somewhat unusual career to with his interactions between the KHL and NHL. --Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 21:31, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Draft bust[edit]

A big part of the notability of Filatov is the fact that he failed in the NHL after big expectations. He is the definition of a draft bust, and that should be noted in this article. I don't think it should be removed, as a neutral point of view, I think, includes it. If there is consensus against it, sure, but I think it's part of the story. Alaney2k (talk) 23:15, 9 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You can't use Reddit as a source to back this assertion up. I think it is early in his career to make any definitive judgement, so I would argue against it needing to be referenced and established in the lead. Also, considering the article has undergone an FA review, keeping the previously established citation style would be appropriate. Canada Hky (talk) 00:03, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That FA review is old. It is time for a review of the FA status. I think if you are unwilling to include the reputation of Filatov as a draft bust, then I think it is not a neutral article, one of the primary criteria for GA or FA status. Alaney2k (talk) 00:37, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't remove it. I just don't think an opinion that is supported by a single columnist needs to be mentioned in the lead. It is still present in the body of the article. I removed the Reddit link, for obvious reasons, and clarified what was stated by the source. There are 30 ice hockey FA's that have older reviews than Filatov - are you proposing reviews for all of them? Canada Hky (talk) 00:42, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
You are whitewashing my edits. That's hardly neutral. Alaney2k (talk) 00:47, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I am fixing your formatting, removing unnecessary detail from the lead, and removing unreliable sources - in an attempt to keep the article at FA level. I did not remove the info about him being a bust, however it is not accurately reflecting sources to post a single column and then claim there is any sort of consensus for the claim. Canada Hky (talk) 16:12, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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