Talk:Ninth Avenue derailment

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A fact from Ninth Avenue derailment appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 14 June 2010 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that when an elevated train derailed on Ninth Avenue in New York in 1905, some passengers escaped from one carriage through an apartment window?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2010/June.

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Not subway[edit]

This was the one serious accident on the els - this line was ripped out, not replaced with a subway. I have accordingly reverted the addition of the article to a subway category and the insertion of the subways navbox: the other subway accidents that should be listed there are 42nd St and Union Square. Yngvadottir (talk) 12:13, 10 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree, and am retiring them. The Els were the direct predecessor to the Subway, and in some parts of the modern system the El tracks are directly incorporated into the modern Subway system. Plus the navbox already contains various links and lines of the Els, so including theis historically important wreck is appropriate. oknazevad (talk) 12:29, 10 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't find the Ninth Avenue El in the navbox, either because I'm missing it there or because like the Second Avenue El and unlike the Sixth (going on memory here, hopefully correctly) it was not the precursor of a subway line, but was simply ripped out. If the navbox is to also include such el lines, it should be renamed. They were never part of the subway system, except for some remote stretches in Northern Manhattan (memory again). Yngvadottir (talk) 12:35, 10 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Noting that the line is quite rightly not there in the navbox. Hence the accident doesn't belong there either. I've posted at the talk page for the navbox. I suspect the root of the problem is that we have the article at IRT Ninth Avenue Line, not specifying "elevated" in the title. Yngvadottir (talk) 12:43, 10 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There should be a Stump header[edit]

this article lacks significant pieces of information such as the chase for Kelly, it only says when he was arrested, it also doesn't go in-depth about the escape from Sing Sing, a SuperMax prison. nor does it say how long he was incarcerated for. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SirColdcrown (talk • contribs) 01:08, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I did it myself, more will be coming when i find the info a Rookie editor of This Emporium of Knowledge, SirColdcrown (talk) 15:45, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Picture misleading?[edit]

I can't figure this picture out. The connection on the curve allows merging the northern parts of the two lines. The 6th Ave joins the 9th Ave. The 6th Ave is further east than the 9th. So the 6th Ave trains heading south would curve off to the left (east). But this shows the curve coming off the main line to the right. Is it possible the picture was flipped left and right, so we're looking at it backwards? Dovid (talk) 23:29, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've added a picture and a diagram from a contemporaneous newspaper report to the article. I think they more clearly show that the Elektrotechnische Zeitschrift picture is incorrect. It must be either flipped, or not a picture of this event.Dovid (talk) 15:52, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]