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The statement on the lead saying that this is "the most widely known Boleros in Puerto Rico" is unreferenced since 2004 and must be fixed. But changing it to "one of the most widely known songs around the world." only aggravates the problem. It shouldn't be done! --damiens.rf 20:30, 15 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

And contrary to the most recent revert, this reference does not support that this is "one of the most widely known songs around the world. --damiens.rf 20:36, 15 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Warning

Mr. Damiens, please stop reverting to your preferred version which is an invention and has no citation. Count your reverts in 24 hrs - one more and you will be reported for edit warring. You need to follow WP:PG and you are not doing it. Thank you. Mercy11 (talk) 20:41, 15 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

quotes per WP:COPYRIGHT, WP:CITATIONS, WP:MOS

This edit adds quotes to ""widely known around the world". The passage is followed by a reference in Spanish. Would someone that can read Spanish better than me point me out what passage in the Spanish text is this a quotation from? Thanks, --damiens.rf 13:25, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

According to THIS 2011 summary edit HERE from Damiens, he states for an over 500-word paragraph, "It turns out I can read Spanish". Now it turns out that he cannot read Spanish for only the 5 words "widely known around the world"??? I don't get it:
- The size of the material to digest this time is 5 words vs the 500+ words from the other article that he was able to read.
- A simple Google translate shows anyone that "widely known around the world" translates into "ampliamente conocido en todo el mundo", which are exactly the words found in the original Spanish citation HERE.
- The 5 words in question here have already been vindicated by other editors contributing to the article (See it HERE and HERE)

So, AGF and IMMHO, I don't get get it. Mercy11 (talk) 15:57, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I asked in the most polite way I could. You should not imply that an user is assuming bad faith just by asking for a verification. Your tone towards me is never amiable. Please, calm down. We have work to do. --damiens.rf 16:16, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Mercy11:, there is no reason to react like this to a simple request for assistance. I understand that you have had past conflicts with this other editor, and I make no judgment or conclusion about who is right or wrong about those past conflicts. But in this situation, you are in the wrong. An editor is allowed to question and otherwise attempt to verify information that is cited in Wikipedia articles. If you feel that you can not participate in this discussion in an appropriate manner due to past conflicts with this editor, you should allow a different editor to answer Damiens.rf's question and not participate in the discussion yourself. Gamaliel (talk) 18:09, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Damiens.rf: Mercy11 is correct, "ampliamente conocida alrededor del mundo" does translate as "widely known around the world". However, the article does not say that it is "one of the most widely known songs around the world" (italics mine), which is why I removed that wording with this edit. Gamaliel (talk) 18:14, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Gamaliel: Gamaliel, thanks for the information. And I really liked that edit of yours. The previous version of the statement was not supported by the reference. --damiens.rf 19:08, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Gamaliel:, you seem like someone reasonable and impartial. Perhaps you might what to comment at the talk page of this article's sister article En mi Viejo San Juan as it relates to THIS ongoing matter. Why that? and why there?, because Mr. Damiens is challenging multiple editors in -as I perceive it- a similarly belligerent fashion and perhaps you might be able to bring some truth and peace there too. Thank you. Mercy11 (talk) 18:36, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Mercy11: I wonder when will you stop confabulating about my inner (and evil) motivations. Or maybe, at least, you could start keeping them to yourself, instead of sharing it with Wikipedians in every single paragraph you post. It's getting annoying. We have an encyclopedia to build. Let's focus on it. --damiens.rf 19:08, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Damiens, please AGF. I have just asked for help from someone that seems impartial. Any editor is allowed to edit the sister article too. IMHO, I acted in good faith inviting Gamaliel. Are you saying I didnt follow policy with my invitation? Please clarify because it is a fact that User:Jmundo and you were edit warring. Thanks. Mercy11 (talk) 19:24, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]