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Requested move 20 February 2018

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Moved as proposed for all except Fifteen and Send Time. bd2412 T 12:54, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

MOS:LIFE, MOS:CAPS, WP:NCCAPS, WP:CONSISTENCY. Not proper names; these are common-noun phrases by definition, as there are many such groups in many kennel clubs, and they do not all use the same exact terms (nor the same groups, nor the same breeds within groups, and often without "group" at the end); this makes them descriptive titles (WP:NPOVTITLE) – WP's attempt to compress a zillion potential topics (AKC Non-sporting Group, FCI Companion and Toy Dogs, etc.) down to under a dozen for manageability. Even the kennel clubs do not consistently capitalize in running text (quote from AKC, emphasis added: "Non-sporting dogs are a diverse group. Here are sturdy animals with as different personalities and appearances as the Chow Chow, Dalmatian, French Bulldog, and Keeshond. ..."[1]). MOS:LIFE is clear that we do not capitalize breed types or groups at all, or any other collective term for organisms, wild or domestic. Things like "Non-Sporting Group" illustrate the typical specialized-style fallacy of insiders over-capitalizing everything they want to single out as significant when writing for other people in the same specialty. "Kennel Club Groups" is just flat-out wrong in basic English writing; it's same as "Lady Gaga Albums" or "Microsoft Software". But "groups" by itself was confusing anyway (implies local/regional affiliates of a national or international organization, of which we have entire categories); use "breed groups" or perhaps "dog groups". If any of the names under consideration, e.g. "Companion group", "Toy group", etc., seem too naturally ambiguous, we could also use "breed group" or "dog group" for them.  — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  20:41, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Additional notes:

There's a tremendous amount of over-capitalization and cruft (and WP:NPOV and WP:NOT#HOWTO) cleanup work to do in dog articles (comparatively minor example [2]). It's mostly already been done in cats, cattle, horses, etc., etc. This is kind of the last bastion of "capitalize everything about the animals I like most, just because", and of forking off redundant domestic-animal-related stubs for particular organizations' vaguely different nomenclature. This does not serve our readers; we need comprehensive articles, not trivia nit-picking.
 — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  20:41, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

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Followup notes

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'Oppose Fifteen and Send Time as it's used as an acronym "FAST"' isn't a valid oppose rationale (or valid general reasoning). Virtually all acronyms that are not references to organizations, products/services, or other proper nouns are upper-case acronyms for lower-case phrases (e.g. HIV and AIDS for human immunodeficiency virus and acquired immune deficiency syndrome; DRM for digital rights management; SCUBA for self-contained underwater breathing apparatus; and literally millions of other examples. I'll just re-RM that one separately, later, if the closer doesn't reverse that baseless exclusion. This is entirely covered by MOS:CAPS and MOS:ABBR; there is no exception to be made here. We do not capitalize the names of non-trademarked sports and games, ever. We even just had an RfC about this shortly before this RM, and it concluded with the same result (again) as previous discussions about this. We play football and poker, not "Football" and "Poker".  — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  18:09, 26 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]