Talk:North West Football League

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Based on your objection to having a current ladder, when are you going to remove the AFL ladder and templates, aswell as all those soccer ladders and templates and whatever other ladder you feel like removing? Stony (talk) 23:22, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll look into that. They certainly should not be there. AFL-Cool (talk) 10:44, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

OK, here's the deal. This page for the NTFL is about the league. The page about the AFL does NOT contain a current ladder - that's on a different page entirely (2008 AFL season). Pages about leagues should NOT have a current ladder per what I said in my edit. A page about a current season of a league however can. AFL-Cool (talk) 10:49, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

no problem but why remove the ladder why not simply create a new page and link it? Stony (talk) 11:11, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

You'll have to provide the same sort of pages for the VFL, the SANFL, the WAFL as well at least otherwise you'll run into notability issues. The AFL is the only football league that has such a page - and I defy you to prove the NTFL has notability to such a level. AFL-Cool (talk) 13:30, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Cooee

Cooee didn't merge with the Burnie Tigers until late in 1994 matey. The Cooee Bulldogs wore a Gold with Dark Green striped guernsey in the NWFU (this from a distance looked like Hawthorn). When Cooee announced they were entering into the Statewide League, they also announced that they were changing their name to 'Burnie Hawks' (South Launceston had already claimed Bulldogs and Cooee's jumpers looked like Hawthorn so they went with that). This seriously miffed the Burnie Tigers because their belief was that "there's only one team called Burnie, and you're not it!". The Burnie Tigers continued on in the NTFL until 1993-1994 and the two clubs had a running war right up until they merged when Peter German came to Burnie. If Burnie Tigers had merged in 1987 with Cooee, how come one of my uncles played in the Reserves at the Tigers until 1989? How come Burnie Tigers won the 1992 NTFL Premiership? How come former VFL star Mark Lee came over to coach 'Burnie', thinking it was the TFL Hawks, but instead it was the NTFL Tigers?

They merged in late 1994, I was present at the Burnie Hawks final game at West Park in August 1994 against the Hobart Tigers. Hawks won 11.15 (81) to Hobart 10.10 (70) in front of 705 people. At the time, nobody knew it would be their final game as the Hawks. Furthermore, I suggest you look up Fullpointsfooty website and even the Burnie Dockers own website to back this up. Forfuxake (talk) 02:05, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Full Points Footy has some serious gaps in it so I wouldn't rely on that. If Cooee and Burnie Hawks were the same club, what were they doing playing at West Park to begin with? Sorry - but there are a lot of unanswered questions here. I was of the understanding the Burnie Tigers and Burnie Hawks were the same club. We need another source, and at present the Burnie Advocate (from memory) isn't backing you up. I'll look it up when I have the time. I can't help it if I find your contribution to be inaccurate on what is out there beyond the Dockers website (which is a primary source only). AFL-Cool (talk) 08:18, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes I do acknowledge that FPF does have some gaps in it (I can name numerous) but I take you either are not from Tasmania or are under the age of 30? Because everyone on the Coast and everyone who has had a long involvement in Tasmanian football (as I've had) knows full well that the Burnie Hawks and Burnie Tigers were NOT the same club. Absolutely NOT the same club. Both clubs were co-tenants at West Park Oval because that was the best ground in the city, the only other grounds up in Burnie of any note were Wivenhoe Showground (South Burnie's home ground) or Les Clarke Oval (neither were up to TFL standard, or NWFU for that matter at the time), so West Park was used each week. Onto the other matter discussed above, if the Tigers had merged with the Hawks in 1987, how did the Burnie Tigers win the 1992 NTFL Premiership? I even attended a Burnie Tigers fundraiser at the Bayview Inn at Burnie in April 1992, and I can tell you right here and now, the two clubs were NOT the same club. The level of dislike between the clubs at the time was very strong, the Burnie Hawks played the Hobart Tigers in the 1991 TFL Elimination Final at Devonport Oval - a large number of Burnie Tiger fans turned out to support Hobart over their same-city rival! I know because I was there and spoke to many of them on the day. They merged when Peter German arrived in Burnie in late 1994. A newspaper article doesn't tell you a great deal. Sorry, but you're unequivocally wrong on this one. PS: I'll go through some of my Tasmanian football yearbooks to update NTFL premiers in this page in time. Forfuxake (talk) 07:57, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Opinion doesn't equal fact. Neither does WP:OR, which is what you're presenting at present. The best third party source for this is the Advocate, not personal experience or league year books (which are a primary source). Until the difference is sorted out once and for all - and with a consensus of agreement - we need to leave the article as is. AFL-Cool (talk) 10:24, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

And the North West Advocate isn't a 'primary source' just like the Tasmanian football yearbooks? The papers are always correct are they? It is my opinion that you just keep quoting the Advocate because whether what is printed in it is correct or not, it supports your argument so you won't listen to anything else. (Hands over ears "La-la-la-la can't hear ya") That's fine - you keep it as is then. As it stands currently your article is FACTUALLY INCORRECT. I see absolutely no point in continuing this discussion, you are quite obviously either not from here or aren't old enough to have been around when it happened, have little to no knowledge of the sport in this state and will not listen to any experienced person who IS qualified and has the knowledge to expand on your article. It's like arguing with a cup of tea. Good day to you.... Forfuxake (talk) 05:43, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

The Advocate is independent and neutral. You appear unable to expand the article without violating WP:OR or WP:RS which has to do with WP policy and not personal experience of either of us. You would be well advised also to consider WP:CIVIL before responding. I know more about football in Tasmania than you realise. AFL-Cool (talk) 23:15, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Well further to your response on your so called article being correct and that the Advocate is independent and neutral - I refer you to this recent article from the very same newspaper regarding the Cooee Football Club. http://nwtasmania.yourguide.com.au/news/local/sport/afl/cooee-comeback/1345680.aspx I suggest you read the fifth paragraph! Cooee left the NWFU at the end of 1986, renamed themselves Burnie Hawks to play in the 1987 TFL Statewide League. They played their home games out of West Park Oval, sharing with the Burnie Tigers. Which is exactly what I've told you already three times. I trust you will now edit this article to reflect the correct information? Forfuxake (talk) 08:44, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Obviously they didn't research their own paper. This information contradicts what they put in the paper at the time. So the problem isn't resolved. It has just been greyed up further. AFL-Cool (talk) 01:39, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

You are both wrong - and right. I have it on good authority that Cooee wanted to leave the NWFU and they were prevented from doing so. So they folded and then reformed as the Burnie Hawks. This more or less fits what both of you said. It's a common trick. Obviously Forfuxake considers this as immaterial, which a lot of club histories do. Hence he believes he is right. AFL-Cool considers this as significant, which is also right for the same reason. There are arguments that work on both sides, and don't work on both sides. I don't see how this can be resolved myself. Mal Case (talk) 09:01, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

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