Talk:Northern Iraq offensive (August 2014)

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Belligerents[edit]

Belligerents section should be probably rechecked. It seems to June offensive ones were simply copied over and new ones added on top of that. Do we actually know that Syria, Baath loyalists and Al-Nusra have been involved in combat during August?--Staberinde (talk) 10:45, 17 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That's a very good question, especially given that JRTN has denied playing any role in the anti-Kurdish fighting (of course they claim all kinds of things). MrPenguin20 (talk) 03:02, 18 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Iraqi Kurdistan should come first in the infobox, as most of the fighting has occurred within Iraqi Kurdistan 24.185.209.60 (talk) 20:06, 22 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Btw, do all those different Assyrian organizations actually field their own combat units? I have my doubts.--Staberinde (talk) 15:29, 26 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

U.N. condemnation[edit]

 • UN on Aug. 25 condemns 'IS' for "mass executions of prisoners that could amount to war crimes". Sca (talk) 14:24, 25 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
 • UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay says Aug. 25 "grave, horrific human rights violations are being committed daily" by 'IS' . Sca (talk) 15:48, 25 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
More 'IS' horrors in Syria. Sca (talk) 13:26, 27 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
UN report. Sca (talk) 15:27, 27 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Iraqi Kurdistan has more supporters[edit]

Sweden is also aiding Kurdistan http://www.krp.org/english/articledisplay.aspx?id=z4BS1K9N3C4= Swedish Foreign Minister Bildt expressed his country’s full support for the KRG in its fight against the ISIS. danish foreign minister said that Denmark is arming the kurds to fight isis http://rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/260820141

Belligerent losses[edit]

I suggest reliable sources shoud be searched fot he Iraqi/Kurdish and ISIL losses, as respectively 14 killed and 100 killed, 160 injured and 38 captured seems highly unlikely for such a campaign.--2.35.58.16 (talk) 14:41, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Offensive and reactions shouldn’t be mixed[edit]

In his edit on 26April,19:38, EkoGraf mixed up and diffused five reactions on the ISIL offensive into the section §2(ISIL conquests) that describes the ISIL offensive itself: two US reactions (arming Kurds; airstrikes); one Iraqi/US/UK reaction (airdrops); two US/Kurdish reactions (evacuation of Yazidis; retaking territory near Erbil). Eko motivated it by saying: “cutting down on unnecessary separate sections”.
A reaction on the ISIL offensive however is not that offensive itself – therefore it is incorrect to list those five reactions under section 2 ‘ISIL conquests’. I’ve therefore replaced them in section 4 ‘Reactions’. Since EkoGraf seems to prefer to emphasize the actor of a certain reaction (see his section 3 ‘Iraqi/Kurdish counterattacks’), I’ve retitled the seven different reactions now by first mentioning their enactors. --Corriebertus (talk) 13:03, 6 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Those are not simply reactions, the Iraqis and Kurds launched a counter-attack in an attempt to reclaim those areas, so its still part of the same military event. Every military operation/offensive/campaign does not include only advances by one side but counter-attacks by the other side as well. EkoGraf (talk) 16:55, 6 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, Kurd/Iraq/US launched counter-attacks. That is a form of reaction on the ISIL offensive. Other US military reactions are also reactions. Humanitarian reactions are also reactions. I don’t know what EkoGraf tries to indicate as: “the [same] military event” or “[the] military operation/offensive/campaign”. It is clear that all those reactions are not part of the ISIL conquests (offensive). --Corriebertus (talk) 12:27, 10 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I will repeat, this article is about a military event that took place in August 2014 that started with an ISIS assault. Counter-attacks (reactions is not a proper term) are an integral part of an ongoing offensive and are such part of that same military event. I tried to explain this and both me and even Lightandark tried to explain the situation you are continuosly arguing over at the Sinjar massacre article. EkoGraf (talk) 07:14, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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