Talk:Okunoin

Sources to expand article

ja.wiki has a good section on the subject, as part of the Koyasan article: ja:金剛峯寺#奥之院.

The books they use as source don't seem available online, though. Maybe some Japanese-speaking users can help. --Broc (talk) 20:23, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 00:34, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

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Saturn V model, Okunoin

Tōrō-dō Hall, Okunoin

Okunoin cemetery

• ... that although ShinMaywa Industries never participated in the Apollo 11 mission, they built a tomb in the sacred site of Okunoin with a large-scale model of the rocket (pictured)? Source: [1] "Perhaps the most gawked at monument is the model of Apollo 11 erected in 1970, the year after the successful moon landing, by Shinmaywa Industries, which had nothing to do with the American spacecraft.
  "Apollo 11 was a big event, and our firm had a lot to do with flying objects," a company official said. "It was also thought Apollo would become a good tool for improving the firm's image." But, he said, the company was criticized for building such a garish monument in a holy place."
  • ALT1: ... that the hall of worship of Okunoin, a sacred site on Mount Kōya, Japan, holds more than 10,000 perpetually lit lanterns (pictured), some of which have been burning for more than 900 years? Source: [2] "At the end of the cemetery path was Torondo, the Lantern Hall, used as a gateway to Kūkai’s mausoleum and where 10,000 donated lanterns hang. Two of these lanterns have been burning continuously since 1088AD, one from a former emperor and the other from a peasant woman who sold her hair for a lantern to pray for her deceased parents. The hall was about to close just before we arrived, so we quickly slipped inside to admire its ornate woodwork and hand-carved lanterns while the sun began to sink and darkness once again settled around us."
  • ALT2: ... that the cemetery of Okunoin in Japan (pictured) contains more than 200,000 graves, many of them belonging to monks and daimyo? Source: [3] "across the lichen- and moss-covered graves of 200,000 Buddhist monks, feudal lords and military commanders fanning out from the seemingly ancient stone paths."
  • Reviewed: no QPQ needed (4th nom.)

Created by Broc (talk). Self-nominated at 22:21, 20 January 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Okunoin; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• • Comment: each ALT has its own image, as they cover different aspects.
• Hi. Per the DYK rules, please make sure that the article text corresponding to each hook fact is supported by an end-of-sentence in-line citation. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:01, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

  Hi, not sure what you mean, there is no paragraph in the whole page without an in-line citation. Can you please explain? Broc (talk) 14:12, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

  The wording of the rule is, "The facts of the hook need to appear in the article with a citation no later than at the end of the sentences in which they appear." So for the first hook, in the article, the citation needs to be repeated at the end of the sentence, "Several of these monuments have become famous... although the company had nothing to do with the mission." And so on for the alts. It's a bit redundant, but DYK requires them for the extra scrutiny the hooks need. --Paul_012 (talk) 18:47, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

  Paul_012 thanks for the explanation. It should be fixed now. --Broc (talk) 17:42, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

• Review: Article is new and long enough. No outstanding issues, and an interesting read overall. I made some minor copyedits. (Should "settlement of Koya" link to Kōya, Wakayama?) QPQ exempt. All three hooks verified and within length, though I think the first one could be shorter and just drop the never-participated part. (The reader can find that out in the article). For Alt1, Lonely Planet (which is the source cited in the article) qualifies the claim as "are said to have been". The BBC Travel article is a trip report that appears to just repeat the belief. Without an exceptional source that goes deeper into the history, the claim can't be taken at face value; I suggest modifying the hook accordingly. For Alt2, both the cited Travel Japan source and the Cities of the Dead book only say "feudal lords" and not daimyo. While feudal lord is a common translation of daimyo and the piped link in the article is reasonable, it would be better for the hook to stick to the sources' wording. Still needs some modifications to the hooks, otherwise good to go. --Paul_012 (talk) 04:41, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Paul_012 Fixing ALTs as per above:

• ... that ShinMaywa Industries built a tomb in the sacred site of Okunoin with a large-scale model of the rocket that carried Apollo 11 (pictured)?
  • ALT1: ... that the hall of worship of Okunoin, a sacred site on Mount Kōya, Japan, holds more than 10,000 perpetually lit lanterns (pictured), some of which are said to have been burning for more than 900 years?
  • ALT2: ... that the cemetery of Okunoin in Japan (pictured) contains more than 200,000 graves, many of them belonging to monks and feudal lords?

  Broc (talk) 13:41, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

  Thanks, I've made a few tweaks. The modified Alt1 is quite borderline length-wise, so allow me to also suggest a shortened version:

  • ALT1a: ... that the hall of worship of Okunoin holds more than 10,000 perpetually lit lanterns (pictured), some of which are said to have been burning for more than 900 years?

  All hooks approved. The rocket tombstone picture is rather weak at thumbnail size, so preference is for the other two if it's to go in the top slot. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:55, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Generic term

As per eg JAANUS here, isn't oku-no-in (as the kanji might suggest) a generic term somewhat along the lines of 'inner (even if sometimes, as with the oku-no-in of the temples on the Shikoku pilgrimage, a kilometre of two from the temple proper) sanctum'? Should the page title be amended to reflect that this page relates to the Koyasan oku-no-in, not the term/phenomenon in general? Thanks, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 09:24, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

@Maculosae tegmine lyncis that's correct. I was debating whether to name the page Okunoin, Mount Kōya but I thought the disambiguation was unnecessary. Should we create a disambiguation page? I haven't found any other mentions of "okunoin" on en.wp except for the one on Koyasan. Broc (talk) 09:15, 2 March 2024 (UTC)