Talk:Olena Pchilka

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Zhenski kapriz

I can see how you took this as downplaying her views, which as the sources make clear were unambiguously antisemitic. Notice that this is not my opinion of her, but of her contemporaries. My personal take is that it can't be a woman's "kapriz" to have bigoted views; afterall, we don't consider racism as "ok" just because it is zhenski kapriz.--Riurik^(discuss) 22:03, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I hope if you read carefully the source that I deleted after I had provided it, you will see my point. The phrase zhenski kapriz is penned by the author of the article, a contemporary of ours. It is by no means something Chikalenko, Yefremov or Vynnychenko ever said, hence it is not even in quotation marks. The article in Hazeta po Ukrainsky is unreliable and POV-ish. It is a very poor and unsourced attempt at downplaying her antisemitism, which I realised only after I had checked your edit. I have read a lot to see that her contemporaries took her antisemitism not so lightly. Mainly she was just shunned by everyone, but she also experienced some persecution and problems with publishing her magazine because of her antisemitic views. For instance, read what she said herself in [1] (search for the word "zhydy" and read a couple of paragraphs further). Still, she did find some support from like-minded Ukrainian antisemitists. But anyway "capriciousness" would be the poorest word to describe all this. It *was* a serious matter both for her and for others. Therefore, I suggest you undo your latest edit to the article. Garik 11 (talk) 23:16, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think you're right. Upon second reading, the kapriz does seem to be the author's extrapolation rather than her contemporaries' thinking. At any rate, to claim that that is what they thought, we would need a better source than that. Regards, --Riurik^(discuss) 06:23, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]