Talk:OpenCandy/Archives/2015
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Misleading quote
I strongly feel that the quote in the "How to avoid Open Candy" section of the article is heavily misleading and taken out of context. In context, I read it to be meant as a satirical rejoinder to the "you can turn off Javascript if you don't like Google Ads" argument (s)he was replying to -- the point being that both arguments are somewhat ridiculous in today's environment. While I have no opinion on the legitimacy of Open Candy, this quote is everything but impartial and Wikipedia can do better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.33.13.171 (talk) 09:59, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
- Well, if you mean the quote in the reference, I see it as an attempted argument for the legitimacy of OpenCandy; that you can avoid it by turning off your internet connection during the install. I find that information important for people that want to avoid OpenCandy. I do not understand why you are upset ("strongly feel", "heavily misleading") - could you please explain that? And could you please explain what it is you feel is misleading? The wikipedia text was never meant to be misleading. And the quote was never meant as an argument for any legitimacy of OpenCandy; it was meant as a quote of a simple, claimed fact. --Jhertel (talk) 02:50, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
- In the original comment the quote is taken from, it is not intended as a serious suggestion of how to avoid OpenCandy recommendations, but merely to illustrate the (perceived) hypocrisy of the site's author who claimed that -- other than OpenCandy -- his Google Ads can be turned off by turning off Javascript. "Your highlighting of the difference between your ads and our recommendations doesn't make sense. You say your ads are fine because users can disable them by turning off javascript -- but how many users actually know that and do it? The exact same can be said about our recommendations and users with software firewalls or strict Windows firewall settings. You can simply not allow internet communication during a software install and you will never see an OpenCandy recommendation. How is that different, better, or worse?"
- Without that context, I felt that the paraphrase in the Wikipedia article reads as if the OpenCandy developers see turning off the internet connection during install as a viable option which is clearly not the case (not because it doesn't work, but rather because it's not something most users would do or consider and thus not really a legitimate option, like a checkbox would be). Thus the absurdity of the quote, without the proper context, could lead a reader of Wikipedia to make wrong assumptions about OpenCandy's developers and their stance towards their customers. I'm not "upset" (I agree that I might have given off that impression), by "strongly feel" I merely wanted to imply that what you obviously see as innocuous advice, reads as somewhat snippy and cyncial to me robbed of its original context, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.23.193.144 (talk) 21:25, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
- I am sorry you misunderstood my addition to the article and the quote. It was really only meant as helpful advice to users wanting to avoid OpenCandy when installing programs. And the quote was just meant as a simple fact, as the source of the information. But maybe I can try to rephrase it a bit to make that more clear. You're welcome to suggest a rephrasing too if you want. --Jhertel (talk) 00:02, 15 January 2015
- Without that context, I felt that the paraphrase in the Wikipedia article reads as if the OpenCandy developers see turning off the internet connection during install as a viable option which is clearly not the case (not because it doesn't work, but rather because it's not something most users would do or consider and thus not really a legitimate option, like a checkbox would be). Thus the absurdity of the quote, without the proper context, could lead a reader of Wikipedia to make wrong assumptions about OpenCandy's developers and their stance towards their customers. I'm not "upset" (I agree that I might have given off that impression), by "strongly feel" I merely wanted to imply that what you obviously see as innocuous advice, reads as somewhat snippy and cyncial to me robbed of its original context, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.23.193.144 (talk) 21:25, 11 January 2015 (UTC)