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Name[edit]

Why the wrong name, not Operation Frühlingserwachen?

--137.248.1.11 02:48, 7 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Change to typo in the date[edit]

Not sure if this is where I'm supposed to post this but I noticed that in the Soviet counterattack and subsequent operations section this appeared:

"By 15 April 1945, the remnant of the German 2nd Panzer Army were south of Graz in the Maribor area. They faced the Soviet 57th Army and the Bulgarian First Army. Between 25 April and 4 March, the 2nd Panzer Army was badly bloodied by both armies near Nagykanizsa."

Obviously, "between 25 April and 4 March" must be a typo since March comes before April and the operation in the article kicked off on 6 Mar 1945. The correct date has to be 4 May considering the war was over on 7 May. If someone knows the correct date for sure please correct my correction to the obvious typo. Richardmunson1984 (talk) 14:34, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Casualties[edit]

The soviet casualties figures are quite different in Krivosheyev' work. The Balaton defensive operation (6-15.3.45): 8492 irrecoverable, 24407 sanitary, 32899 overall. Also, total strength of 3th Ukrainan Front was 465000, not 865000 (I wonder where from these figures are taken). German casualties also seem too high, but I can't check them. http://rus-sky.com/history/library/w/w06.htm#_Toc536603358 Olvegg (talk) 21:05, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OK, that was obviously vandalism by 83.250.245.27. I correct the german figures too. Olvegg (talk) 21:18, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What about German casualties ?

Look at this :

Upon completion of the combats between 29 March-10 April 1945, the artillery staff of the 3rd Ukrainian Front in presence of representatives of NIBT Poligon, Ammunition Narkomat (ministry) and artillery branch of the Soviet Army conducted again the inspection and research of the knocked out German combat machines in the area of Balaton Lake, Elusha canal, Kapos canal, Sharviz canal, Sekesfehervar. In the course of work the committee accounted and observed nine hundred sixty eight (968) knocked-out, destroyed or abandoned tanks and SP guns as well as four hundred forty six (446) personnel carriers (SdKfz). Many vehicles previously inspected in February 1945 were also included in statistics. Four hundred machines, which were the most interesting for research had been marked and examined. All heavy tanks and new brands of SP guns underwent the special study. Out of 400 examined destroyed tanks and SP guns there were 19 units of Tiger II, 6 units of Tiger, 57 units of Panther, 37 units of Pz-IV, 9 units of Pz-III (mostly flamethrowers, Pz BeobWg III and commanders’ tanks), 140 units of SP guns (StuG, Jagdpanzer etc.), 27 tanks and SP guns of Hungarian brands and 105 units of other vehicles (Wirbelwind, Wespe, Bergepanther, Brummbar, Hummel, SdKFZ 138 Ausf. etc.).

Among the examined 400 vehicles, 389 vehicles were destroyed by the artillery fire, 11 tanks were either exploded on mines or destroyed by other means. By main statistical parameters the result of this inspection were similar to the one conducted in February 1945. The new finding was that the number of armor penetrations made by 76mm AP shells and 57mm AP shells became almost equal. The number of penetrations caused by 100-122 mm shells increased by 2.5-3.2 %.

The examined vehicles were marked and photographed. The original photographs are kept in the Central Archive of the Russian Ministry of Defense and many of them are available in Baronov's book.

Sources:

a. O.Baronov, Balaton Defense Operation, Moscow, 2001, PP.82-106

b. Inspection of German armored vehicles, discovered after combats in the area of Balaton Lake, Elusha canal, Kapos canal, Sharviz canal, Sekesfehervar. April 1945 – Central Archive of the Russian Defense Ministry — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.30.176.194 (talk) 18:15, 5 August 2011 (UTC) [reply]

Requested move[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Moved to Operation Spring Awakening, uncontested Mike Cline (talk) 17:02, 1 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Operation Frühlingserwachen → Operation Spring Awakening –. Other operations in World War II are referred to by their English names, see for example Operation Little Saturn and Operation Winter Storm. Whoop whoop pull up ^{Bitching Betty | Averted crashes} 18:05, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Tank Casualties[edit]

Tanks casualties on German side (31 tanks) seems to be complete bullshit, since Zepp himself his tank army was reduced "to six tanks". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:2698:6C22:9EE1:F00F:DF30:62FD:C93D (talk) 02:00, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Strength,Casualties and losses - German offensive[edit]

- Why use Számvéber and Frieser? Krivosheyev is better.

- 407 tanks. Not tanks and selfpropelled guns?

- Order of battle, Mechanized Corps. "The Tanks Brigades would hold a single tank regiment while the Tank Brigade would hold 3 Battalions. Each Tank Regiment would hold 35 tanks, while the Tank Brigade's 3 Battalions would hold a total of 65 tanks" Confusion between Tank and Mechanized Brigade? Maja33_NL

Számvéber is among the best accurate.(KIENGIR (talk) 11:41, 11 June 2020 (UTC))[reply]

44ID as a Volksgrenadier Division?[edit]

I have never heard of the Wehrmacht's 44. Infanterie-Division being designated as a volksgrenadier division. "Das Ende am Plattensee", a history of 44ID in Spring Awakening, which was written by the commander of 2nd battalion, Grenadier Regiment 132, 44ID, makes absolutely no mention of the 44th being designated as a volksgrenadier division, and neither does the Wikipedia article on the 44ID: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/44th_Infantry_Division_(Wehrmacht) Why is it referenced as such in the Spring Awakening article? WriterReiter (talk) 03:38, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]