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@Maistara: Your edits today have created several referencing errors, mainly references that you've invoked without defining. Could you please resolve those? —Granger (talk · contribs) 22:26, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

~~@Granger: Oh I got it, I will fix it soon Maistara (talk) 23:01, 19 June 2020 (UTC)~~[reply]

Thanks! —Granger (talk · contribs) 23:33, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Changes made on 20 June.[edit]

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Please, improve Grammar, Vocabulary in further edits. The current version of the article was unreadable and not improving the article. Specially at the 1 March events. Mr.User200 (talk) 23:58, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes and I was working on it, that does not give you the right to revert all my edits! Why do you remove so much sourced content without discussing it on the talk page? What you just did is very wrong and I’am asking you to either revert your last edits back or I will do it. You can’t just remove everything and use the ‘’grammar’’ as an excuse. Thats something you can and should improve as well, not just removing everything Maistara (talk) 07:08, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

~~Also the parts you just removed were not copyrighted! You are deliberately removing/vandalizing this page and not improving it at all Maistara (talk) 08:22, 21 June 2020 (UTC)~~[reply]

Why is Turkish patton tank losses deleted?[edit]

Why? Shadow4dark (talk) 04:45, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reverted by a Sockpuppet. He said it was before Op. Start at Feb 27. Mr.User200 (talk) 01:00, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sockpuppet SalahGood was right. Those tanks were lost two on 20 Feb and 1 on 3 Feb, before the Operation. However 3 APC were destroyed during Op.Mr.User200 (talk) 01:08, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sock is right, maybe we can add this in Turkish involvement in the Syrian Civil War Shadow4dark (talk) 08:43, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

.Done.Mr.User200 (talk) 13:41, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Syria 3,159 killed wounded and captured

8 helicopters
2 SU-24 type aircraft
1 L-39 type aircraft^[1]
3 UAVs
151 tanks
51 other armored vehicles
54 MLRS
49 Artillery
4 Mortars
34 technicals
60 other military vehicles
8 air defense systems (1 SA-17, 2 SA-22)
12 ATGMs
10 ammunition storages
1 chemical weapon facility destroyed^[2]

| casualties3 = | notes =

}} 31.21.68.15 (talk) 14:13, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: Source provided is Partisan and for Weight, a claim by Turkey without photographic evidence could not be considered in the Battlebox. In short that claim was political statement to keep the public in a calmed mood by Turkey officials. Most sources agree with the number of Syrian destroyed equiptement currently on the Infobox. Also, you are a Sockpuppet that pushes to a certain POV this articles.Mr.User200 (talk) 16:56, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The 'released' drone footages alone, clearly show there have been far more than 170 killed. SOHR is not a reliable source, he is but a one person living in London. He changed Afrin casualities of pkk from ~200 to 1000 in a single day after Turkey captured the city center.

Drone strikes complation during the operation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li3N1rQBGvQ

And we know that not all drone footages are released, and not all deaths in the opposing party caused merely by drones. There were Turkish soldiers on the ground, Syrian rebels, artillery strikes, airstrikes with jets, and rocket strikes. 88.230.168.151 (talk) 09:37, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A youtube video compilation is not a Reliable Source Per se. To avoid this type of personal asumptions (POV) we only use Realiable Sources and most agree on that number. Other version of the article showed 197 SAA and allies killed but that was in all Syria during that period of time.Mr.User200 (talk) 21:54, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Our Bureau (2020-03-03). "Turkish F-16 Shoots Down Syria's L-39 Warplane". Defense World.
^ Rejimin kimyasal depoları böyle vuruldu

It doesn't even make sense to add all these equipment:

-45 Tanks 33 Artillery 33 Vehicles 20 IFVs 5 AA guns and SAM systems 3 Mortars-

Then saying the other side had only 200 casualities. The equipment loss is almost equal to militia/soldier loss which is absurd. Numbers are also possibly only counted out from RELEASED drone strikes and not any other means, not artillery, not airstrikes, not rebel kills, as it doesn't even count the 2 jets downed by TAF which is mentioned literally in the article itself. The hypocrisy and misinformation is unbelievable on this site.

rebels[edit]

user:Mr.User200 hezbollah which is syrias ally included then why is sna which is turkeys ally not included?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.55.55.100 (talk) 11:48, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The scope of the current article is Turkey Operation aganist SAA and allies (following Baylun airstrikes) inside the Northern Syrian Offensive.Mr.User200 (talk) 21:51, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Syrian losses[edit]

Please avoid placing Turkish claims of Syrian losses at the Battle box, that figure correspond to inflated numbers more close to WP:PROPAGANDA than to encyclopedic information, there is no way to corroborate that claimed number of vehicles destroyed. Also multiple independent sources, some reliable like SOHR and others have already hinted the number of Syrian servicemen dead and equipment destroyed with photographic evidence.Mr.User200 (talk) 17:38, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

We have a source in the infobox (Middle east institute) that claims that 405 pro regime fighters were killed by Turkish drone and artillery strikes, alongside rebel fighters. Since MEI is already used as a source we can use their casualties figures in the infobox. Needbrains (talk) 16:06, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Agree, however I will change the name from regime to goverment since is a more neutral tone.Mr.User200 (talk) 15:05, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We should include these, because according to this logic we should delete info about combatants giving their enemies casualties in every article because "propoganda" Peanut funi xd (talk) 17:44, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Our Bureau (2020-03-03). "Turkish F-16 Shoots Down Syria's L-39 Warplane". Defense World.

[2] Rejimin kimyasal depoları böyle vuruldu

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