Talk:Organizational models of accidents

This article was nominated for deletion on 28 January 2007. The result of the discussion was keep.

Article for Deletion[edit]

I propose that the article be kept because it is very interesting. Why would anyone wish to delete such a gem? Wikidrone 17:29, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, I like this article. I do not see the picture though. Fsu23phd (talk) 03:41, 2 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Questionable References[edit]

The references on this page need to be updated and validated. I removed one after reading the source -which has little practical application to the Swiss Cheese Model. Although I believe this page is important, I think the quality of the referencing is poor. Even references that are appropriate are not the primary, notable, works in the area. For example, the Annual Review of Nursing Research reference is the editor's intrduction and not a peer reviewed paper. Can we imporve the referencing for Jame Reason's work? PatientSafetyGuru (talk) 07:11, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Misleading article title[edit]

The title suggests "human error" is the theme of this article, yet it is about Reasons model of Organisational Accidents (aka the "swiss cheese model")

suggest it be retitled and reworked.

Sulzer55 (talk) 00:52, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea! How about "Organisational models of accidents" In this way, we might broaden it more, allowing to include models by other authors. Mootros (talk) 14:29, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest "models of organisation accidents" as the better way to describe the theory. Yes there are other models as well, just Good Old Jimmies is the better known - may be able to tie in cultural models ie some of the work by Westrum and Hudson Sulzer55 (talk) 11:00, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I see, I am not sure about "organisation accidents". What would this be? I have changed the title now on the assumption of that these theories that model accidents and all models are organisational models in contrast to i.e. psychological models. Hope this makes sense. Please let me know if you strongly object. Otherwise, lets go ahead with some bold action reworking the article. Many thanks! Yours, Mootros (talk) 15:33, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

My crap spelling - should be "Organisatoinal Accidents" These are suggestive of problems within the entire system/business, not just the poor schmuck who happens to be at the pointy end when it all goes pear-shapedSulzer55 (talk) 03:40, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

@Sulzer55: What is the Good Old Jimmies model? I can't find any information on that. -- Beland (talk) 01:13, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Jimmie - James Reason - Sulzer55 (talk) 09:20, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Swiss cheese model[edit]

I propose that Organizational models of accidents be merged into Swiss cheese model. Apart from the first two or so sentences, this article is only about the swiss cheese model. --109.246.235.12 (talk) 21:10, 16 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

From what you say, it sounds like this article needs to be expanded, rather than subsumed into the Swiss cheese model article. Perhaps the key point is whether the Swiss cheese model is the only organisational model of accidents? If so, then a merge would be appropriate. But if there are other models of accidents, it would be misleading to subsume it into the article about the Swiss cheese model. --Pakaraki (talk) 08:11, 17 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Granted, assuming someone does that. However, this article is now 6 years old and has never seen another model, so I assume there aren't any other models? Or Wikipedia lacks the manpower. Anyway: As far as I can tell, it seems unlikely that this article will be expanded in the foreseeable future, so it probably should be merged. --109.246.235.12 (talk) 09:54, 17 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I agree and am going to do the merge. Any models other than "Swiss cheese" can be added to Accident#Accident_models. I have just ordered a copy of Enhancing Occupational Safety and Health and will do that. -- Beland (talk) 01:28, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

James Reason[edit]

It is essentially an article about this person's model but does not cite his publications! He should probably have a Wikipedia entry himself. Chemical Engineer (talk) 15:53, 7 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Swiss cheese model does cite Reason's works. -- Beland (talk) 01:32, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]