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Zany Fun With Sir Oswald

If you feel it's necessary to clutter up this rather serious article with an infantile list of pop culture references, you really need to include one very important and useful item which is mysteriously absent. I refer of course to "Oswald Mosley The Blackshirt Funnyman", a one-off strip which appeared in Viz Comics issue 95. 86.132.249.222 (talk) 08:56, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lede is misleading

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The Battle of Cable Street increased anti-Semitism in the UK, caused the BUF to have a surge in its membership, and led to the BUF performing much better in elections. (2A00:23C5:C416:A601:9871:3D07:3A3B:93FF (talk) 16:36, 31 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]

No evidence for that. Emeraude (talk) 17:33, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There does seem to be some evidence of this, according to facinghistory.org: "By late October 1936, membership in the BUF had increased by 2,000, with many joining East End branches of the organisation. In March 1937, Tilles notes that the BUF received 18% of the East End vote, and around 30% of the non-Jewish vote, in the three main areas of the Cable Street confrontation between demonstrators, police, and Fascists." (2A00:23C5:C416:A601:5D5:2982:8A27:BCE4 (talk) 18:57, 31 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]

Birkett / 18B

The article currently has this:- "Mosley, who at that time was focused on pleading for the British to accept Hitler's peace offer of March, was detained on 23 May 1940, less than a fortnight after Winston Churchill became prime minister. Mosley was interrogated for 16 hours by Lord Birkett but never formally charged with a crime, and was instead interned under Defence Regulation 18B."

And this obviously is not true.

Mosley was detained, at his home, on 23 May, by Special Branch officers acting on an 18B order from Home Secretary and Minister of Home Defence Sir John Anderson (of "Anderson shelter" fame). There was no requirement for a criminal charge. 18B applied to Mosley as a member of an organisation (the BUF) "subject to foreign influence or control" -- intelligence had come to hand showing that Mosley had been bankrolled by Mussolini's Italy, which was allied to Nazi Germany and would shortly declare war on the United Kingdom -- and because Mosley "had associations with persons concerned in the government of, or sympathies with the system of government of, any Power with which His Majesty is at war", namely his associations with one Adolf Hitler, who was guest of honour at the Mosleys' wedding in Goebbels' drawing room. Mosley's arrest was extremely popular at the time, and even The Times, which had been a pro-appeasement paper, published a letter next day reading, "Sir -- I note with pleasure that you printed the news of Sir Oswald Mosley's arrest in the fifth column of yesterday's edition."

Norman Birkett KC -- who had not yet been knighted, let alone ennobled -- was chairman of the Advisory Panel on 18B detentions. There was no legal right of appeal against 18B through the courts, but detainees could apply to the Advisory Panel for a review. Evidently Mosley did this, and the panel found against him. (Mosley would be released on health grounds in late 1943, but was then subject to house arrest for the duration.) There is no question of Birkett "interrogating Mosley for 16 hours", or of the government resorting to 18B only because they couldn't find a criminal charge. These false claims, which the article makes without citation, give off a very bad smell indeed. Khamba Tendal (talk) 18:56, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

only noteworthy as a fascist?

would it be a better idea for simplicity to change the start to say “British Fascist politician”? 2A00:23C6:D603:8001:810:1D08:391B:596C (talk) 10:47, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly not, because he also spent time as a Labour Party politician. 14.2.206.234 (talk) 08:44, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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