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Map is wrong

It does not show Turkey as part of the Ottoman caliphate! --82.37.129.75 (talk) 00:43, 26 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Ottoman Empire

Why on Earth is this a seperate article?

Its sections should be added in the relevant areas to the Ottoman Empire article, and Ottoman Caliphate should re-direct there. To talk of specifically caliphate related ideas there is also the Caliphate article. It would be like having a seperate article for the Umayyads and Umayyad Caliphate. The only reason to do this is because some of the earlier rulers did not claim to be caliphs - but that doesn't warrant an entire article. If editors really feel the need to compartmentalise this into a section, why not a section called, "Caliphate" on the Ottoman Empire article? ParthikS8 (talk) 16:38, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Discuss on this talk page. ParthikS8 (talk) 16:42, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

June 2022

@Beshogur: with regard to this question: how do you justify "1362" as the date of the establishment of the Ottoman Caliphate when we have RS stating that: a) the Ottomans didn't ask for it, b) al-Mutawakkil III reportedly surrendered the Caliphate to Selim I? M.Bitton (talk) 15:50, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

See the reference [1] pretty much reliable. Second, infobox country template has a pre event section, where pre events are regarded imporant.

Also TDV IA mentions this at the section section:

Osmanlı sultanları da I. Murad’dan itibaren bu geleneğe uyarak halife unvanını kullanmışlardır (I. Murad’dan Yavuz Sultan Selim’e kadar Osmanlı padişahlarının halife unvanını nasıl kullandıklarına dair çeşitli nâme örnekleri için bk. İbn Kemal, VII, 99, 197, 233, 235, 465, 525; Feridun Bey, I, 95, 96, 97-98, 99, 102, 103 vd.; Fatih Mehmet II Vakfiyeleri, s. 20-25; Sümer, LVI/217 [1992], s. 696-698).

For the second, there are no exact records how Selim I took the office. Later sources claim Mutawakkil surrendered the caliphate in Hagia Sophia. Beshogur (talk) 16:17, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This has been removed because that's not what the cited sources says. Essentially, it's mentioning the fact that the term "caliph" was used since the time of Murad I by the Ottomans and many Muslim rulers as a general meaningless title. M.Bitton (talk) 16:20, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As it stands, the 1368 date in the Infobox is both misleading and unsourced. M.Bitton (talk) 16:25, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Contrary to what you claim, I checked the source and interpreted it exactly the way it should. Even the above Turkish source says more or less the same thing (about the Sultans who use the title of Caliph in their own countries). This obviously has nothing to do with the Caliphate of the topic. M.Bitton (talk) 16:53, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]