Talk:Pakistani cricket team in Ireland in 2018

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Reviewer: The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) 08:46, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]


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  • As a rule of thumb (for me), I seldom reference facts in the lead. Direct quotes, sure, but not the facts, because they're supposed to be also mentioned in the main body and can be expanded upon (and referenced) there.
  • "11 – 15 May" unspaced en-dash.
  • "and with Ireland's Kevin O'Brien named" just me perhaps, but linking this with "and" seems odd considering O'Brien played on the losing side.
  • In fact, I would remove the quotes from the lead and leave them to the main section, perhaps have an "aftermath" or "reactions" section?
  • "The ICC confirmed the fixture during" for completeness here, I would re-state that the ICC confirmed that a single Test match would be played between the two teams rather than just "confirmed the fixture".
  • "ith The Village, Malahide " comma after Malahide.
  • "Sri Lanka won both matches in the two-match series" a touch tautological, maybe drop "two-match"?
  • I understand why you strike through Nathan Smith, but for the sake of completeness, probably worth adding a footnote to the table saying something like "Ruled out through injury".
  • "Boyd Rankin took Ireland's first wicket in" bit too SEAOFBLUE for me.
  • "forty-fourth" a little odd for me, I think you might be okay per MOSNUM, but I'd stick with 44th.
  • "three or four day match" -> "three- or four-day match".
  • Replace spaced hyphens with spaced en-dashes in reference titles.
  • Any images of the key players that could be used sparingly to brighten the article up?

Otherwise this is a really good and detailed article. I think it already meets the GA criteria, so my concerns above are really just the spit-and-polish which would get it ready for something even more impressive, like FAC. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:02, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man: - I think I've fixed everything here. I'm happy with the lead having sources, and have left it as it is. Is that a deal-breaker for the GA? Please could you also check the formatting I've added for the footnote for Nathan Smith and if the images are OK to use. Thanks again! Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 19:57, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Lugnuts no no, not at all, none of the comments were really deal-breakers, just thinking to the future. I'll take one more look and let you know. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:04, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Lugnuts okay, this is going to annoy you I guess... I think you trimmed the lead down a little too much, and your comments about the women's Test appear in the lead and only in the lead, that should be expanded upon in the main body strictly. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:07, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@The Rambling Man: - I did think the lead was too short when I re-jigged the order of the reactions, etc. I've now made expanded this a little, moved all the references out of that section, and added a bit about the womens' Test in the background section. How does that look now? Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 08:06, 18 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
All good for me Lugnuts, passing. Let me know if you want to repeat the feat with any other similarly excellent articles. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:56, 18 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Wow! Thank you! Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 10:21, 18 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Boyd Rankin - the third to play Test cricket for two different national teams?[edit]

In the section "Only Test" there is the sentence

Rankin became the first player in twenty-five years, and only the third after John Traicos and Kepler Wessels, to play Test cricket for two different national teams.

There are two references for this:

  • "Boyd Rankin set to create history in Ireland's debut Test against Pakistan". Hindustan Times. Retrieved 12 May 2018.
  • "Records, Combined Test, ODI and T20I records: Individual records (captains, players, umpires), Representing two countries". ESPN Cricinfo. Retrieved 12 May 2018.

There is a clear conflict here. The article in The Hindustan Times states "Only two players in the past — Kepler Wessels and John Traicos — have played Test cricket for two countries." This is demonstrably untrue, since not only does ESPN CricInfo list no fewer than fifteen players who have achieved this feat, but fourteen such players (Rankin naturally being the only omission) are listed in

These fourteen are:

  1. Billy Midwinter (Australia 1877-1887; England 1881-1882)
  2. Billy Murdoch (Australia 1877-1890; England 1892)
  3. J. J. Ferris (Australia 1887-1890; England 1892)
  4. Sammy Woods (Australia 1888; England 1896)
  5. Frank Hearne (England 1889; South Africa 1892-1896)
  6. Albert Trott (Australia 1895; England 1899)
  7. Frank Mitchell (England 1899; South Africa 1912)
  8. Abdul Hafeez Kardar (India 1946; Pakistan 1952-1958)
  9. Iftikhar Ali Khan Pataudi (England 1932-1934; India 1946)
  10. Gul Mohammad (India 1946-1952; Pakistan 1956)
  11. Amir Elahi (India 1947; Pakistan 1952)
  12. Sammy Guillen (West Indies 1951-1952; New Zealand 1956)
  13. John Traicos (South Africa 1970; Zimbabwe 1983-1993)
  14. Kepler Wessels (Australia 1982-1985; South Africa 1991-1994)

See List of cricketers who have played for two international teams#Test cricket. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:58, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Good spot. The 25-years bit is inaccurate too. Not sure if it is meant to be 25 years since a Test player switched teams (Wessels did so in April 92 : 26 years ago) or since a player last played for his second country (Wessels' last Test for SA was in August 94, a little under 24 years ago). The figures mentioned are just for Tests; Rankin has already played ODIs for both Eng and Ire. Has anyone any other problems using Hindustan Times as an RS? Spike 'em (talk) 22:16, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, good spot. I've not noticed any issues with the Hindustan Times before, but in any case, I've changed it and re-worded it. Let me know if anything else jumps out. Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 08:00, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:48, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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