Talk:Palermo/Archive 1

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Map Photo

Put a map photo in. You've got a gagillion photos in this article, at least one of them should show us where this place is.-Some dude

History

I think the history is not really correct - it differs from the one in the main article for what concerns the end of Byzanthium's dominations and the arrival of Arabs, for example for the date of total control of sicily, or for the *legend* of Ephimus - let me know what you think Xain_it

Black saint

The BLACK SAINT from Palermo was the one who gave the name to the barrio PA in BsAs (arg), NOT Rosalia!!

It seems no one remembers his name; neither do i (and i should as i know far too well both palermos).
i heard Leoluca Orlando said sthing about this BLACK saint recently ... does anyone remember his name??? desperate but i guess i haveto ask the outsiders, in PA no one seems ... sorry. Zisa
I have never heard of a black saint in Palermo, but why not. I added a note about Rosalia to make that part clear, but it is distinct from hte BsAs part. My wife (from PA) says there is a black madonna in PA, and that a male saint was venerated on Monte Pellegrino before Rosalia took over. Seindal, Tuesday, April 2, 2002
he lived in the 1600s and was a son of a black slave; that's all i remember. i think i have to find and disturb the ex amyor for that... i should know it as well as i was from PA (BSAS, AR) and then lived in PA... so ... well ... i came back yesterday and no one seemed to remember his name (nor in prov di TP not in PA) Zisa
This black saint is probably San Benedetto il Moro. See [1] (in italian). He lived 1526-89, as a son of descendants of black christian slaves brought over from africa. In 1713 he is declared patron of PA by the city, in 1743 venerable by the pope and saint in 1807. Seindal, Tuesday, April 2, 2002
Yes!!! That's him!!! Thanks :-))))))))))))))))) [[user:Zisa|Zisa
I still don't see a page on San Benedetto il Moro :-) Seindal, Wednesday, April 3, 2002
Here's a page in English about Benedict the Black: http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/saintb20.htm. There really should be something in the article but I don't know what the situation is with Santa Rosalia. Are there several patron saints or is opinion divided about which is the real patron? --Spondoolicks 15:59, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
The name of the barrio PA (BSAS, AR) comes from the original owner of the lands that make up the barrio, a mr. Palermo and not from a saint. Malau1

Soccer Team

BTW, what about the soccer team from Palermo that is all the rage in the city these days? Where should it be mentioned? Or perhaps it shouldn't be there at all, since it is info that is likely to change from year to year? Anyway, people are so happy and proud of it!

So write it!
First of all, it's a wiki, so write it yourself :) Secondly, are they really that proud of it after that cop killed? Royk Feb 3 2007

^grow up please. it wsn't even the fans of this club who were at fault in the death. please learn to read next time. - The Daddy 02:05, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Solar clock in the Cathedrale

An explanation for the 10 minute error is needed!

Here is my working so far:

  • Palermo Lon: 13:21:43E
  • Rome Lon: 12:27:23E
  • Naples Lon: 14:14:58E

CET is defined by solar noon at 15:00:00

360° => 24h, so 1° => 4m

15:00:00 - 13:21:43 = 1:38:17 => solar noon in Palermo is about 6 minutes later than at CET meridian.

Surely the people who built the instrument were not aiming to mark the line of local solar noon, but a line 6 minutes earlier than local noon, being the time meridian for central Europe. If they wanted to match the time in Rome, then they only needed the line to be 4 minutes "early". So the problem is even worse... --Red King 17:33, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Found the answer to my own question and added the text. --Red King 12:07, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

20th Century

Some of the material here could be more neutral, but the way to deal with that is to replace it with supported facts. --Red King 00:31, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The stub at the bottom about Palermo in Brazil, should be moved or redricted.

  • I live in Palermo and I have not seen in Palermo those things that are described in this chapter. I think Wikipedia must be neutral and this chapter is not neutral. Anyway I want to leave to people that is not from Palermo but knows the town, the job to change the text. Salutamu! --Gisi 09:19, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Seal of the city

According to it.wiki, it's at http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/it/thumb/0/06/Palermo-Stemma.png/100px-Palermo-Stemma.png but it doesn't seem to work here. Suggestions? --Red King 11:00, 16 August 2005 (UTC) I lived in Palermo for many years, my parents still live there and I agree with Gisi. Where are all those buildings destroyed during the war??? there are some but not like you present it in this chapter, the whole centre... Poverty? Some quarters are poor like you have in a lot of cities. I don't think this chapter is very reliable. Sabrina —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.209.105.158 (talk) 20:32, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Section Deletion

The main beach of Palermo is called Mondello. It is very beautiful early or late in the season, but can be overly crowded in July or August. Also during these two months, the beach is cluttered with rows upon rows of changing houses, and access to the beach is restricted. However several openings allow free bathing. From central Palermo, the 806 bus will take you to Mondello. It is highly recommended!!!

I have deleted this section due to unencyclopedic information and high POV as well as sounding like a travel brochure. If anyone wants to revert it for some strange reason please explian why.

  • I am agree with you about the "travel brochure": I think that the last two lines must be cancelled. But I also think that a site as Mondello must be mentioned. --Giusi 11:58, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Get rid of only the last line, or rewrite the whole thing to get rid of the narrator's tone. There are relevant facts in that passage. Salvage them, don't delete them.-Some dude

Sicilian name(s)

I readded "Palermu" and "Palemmu" because these are indeed valid and common words for the city. Perhaps someone with more knowledge than I could create a section of the article dedicated to the Sicilian namings of the city.

  • I think you should not put all these names. You should only use "Palermu", which is used on the sicilian wikipedia page for this city. Other names are variations and it contributes to the marginalization of the sicilian language by certain people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.157.179.76 (talk) 13:54, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
  • The name of the city in the Sicilian version of Wikipedia ( voir : scn:Palermu ) is Palermu. Other names seem to be variations or derived from different dialects of the sicilian language. I will therefore remove other forms of the name and will leave only the name "Palermu", as in the french, sicilian, italian and others versions of wikipedia. --Babbaluci - 27 November 2007 —Preceding comment was added at 01:39, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


picture

I dont't like this photo with a motorbike. Even if Peugeot motorbikes are an important (historical - as it is in the section "History") landmark of Palermo, it should not fill so much area. The first photo in article should show some beauty instead of poverty striken back street. Please replace it soon, or I will do it.

church of St. Francis of Assisi

I'm proposing to create its own article if no one opposes. although, would welcome input from other editors familiar with Palermo in building up such an article. Michellecrisp (talk) 02:53, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Images

These are certainly great images that can be used in the article, but they should be next to something which is specifically relevent to it in the article. I'm going to put them here for a moment and as the article develops put images next to parts of the next which is relevent to it. - Gennarous (talk) 20:21, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Villa Bonanno park.
Panorama of Palermo.
Piazza Pretoria.
The Cathedral of Palermo.
The Porta Nuova ("New Gate") is the monumental access to the centre of the city.
Baroque interior of the Church of the Jesus.
Palazzo dei Normanni.
Roger II's Cappella Palatina combines French-Norman, Byzantine, and Arabic influences.
Teatro Massimo.
Teatro Politeama.
Zisa.
San Giovanni degli Eremiti.
Façade of the Church of the Magione.
Fontana Pretoria.
Harbour with Monte Pellegrino.

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language

"The language spoken by its inhabitants is the Sicilian language." well, the most spoken is the italian, wich isn't even mentioned in the article. I'm editing this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.56.183.118 (talk) 22:24, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Article introduction

What sense does it possibly make to mention the "underground economy" right next to the international airport? Although I'm not confronting the claim that Palermo's economy may rely extensively on 'underground' activities, mentioning that at the very beginning and in connection with available means of transportation is ludicrous—let alone provocative. If anyone is interested (and able, as that 'Citation needed' demands) in describing the impact of underground economy on the town's daily activities, this should rather be done by adding to the Economy or Crime sections. What is more, the paragraph on the re-development and the renovation of the town (referring to a dead-link in Palermo's administration's website) is clearly automatically translated. The result is mere non-sense. --193.205.206.26 (talk) 17:19, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Agreed, the introduction needs a lot of reworking, it is repetitive and has a lot of frivolous/irrelevant and unsourced info. Like it is known for its colourful fruits. hmmm. Joe Lo Po — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.130.136.58 (talk) 09:41, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Climate data to be corrected

The average minimum temperatures reported in the article are wrong: eg the January minimum daily temperature is 10.2, Feb 10.1 and so on (this data are taken from the same link given in the article). Consequently, the daily temperatures are wrong too. They should be corrected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.149.234.202 (talk) 01:26, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Timeline of Palermo

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Capital of the Holy Roman Empire?

Palermo was never a part of the Holy Roman Empire. Therefore it was definitely never its capital. This passage has to be deleted. Cheers --WAH (talk); —Preceding undated comment added 21:09, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

the capital(HRE) follows the seat of the Emperor, Your contributions are very original [2].--87.20.111.233 (talk) 21:16, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
Palermo did simply not belong to the "HRE". Besides, it was not "the seat" of the emperors in this time. Where did you get this idea from? The Holy Roman Empire had no "capital" in the 13th century. --WAH (talk) 21:22, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
Your contribution is an original research.--87.20.111.233 (talk) 21:29, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
No, you simply should read Holy Roman Empire Otherwise, you have to present something to verify your contribution. --WAH (talk) 21:32, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
Your contributions are very original [3], and original research. --87.20.111.233 (talk) 21:36, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
Bis repetita non placent. Where did you get the idea "the capital of the HRE follows the Emperor"? --WAH (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:38, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
Yours is an obvious Pov, there is no consensus to delete the contents--87.20.111.233 (talk) 21:45, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
Please: Where did you get this idea of a "capital" from? Which scientific books or articles did you read? You should quote them here! Otherwise this passage has to be deleted. It is simple. --WAH (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:51, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
Yours is an obvious Pov, there is no consensus to delete the contents; your contributions are very original.--87.20.111.233 (talk) 21:58, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
Well, I'm waiting for an answer, not for repetitions. --WAH (talk) 22:02, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
this is wikipedia and here we are collaborating with the consent; yours is an obvious Pov, there is no consensus to delete the contents; your contributions are very original--87.20.111.233 (talk) 22:05, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
We are collaborating, but in the end this should be an encyclopedia. You have to offer a proof for your opinion. Please check Wikipedia:Verifiability. It's yours to offer a proof for this passage. --WAH (talk) 22:17, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
No original research.--87.20.111.233 (talk) 22:25, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

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