Talk:Paper Mario: The Origami King

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 19:31, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

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• ... that Olivia from Paper Mario: The Origami King is based off of an unknown Japanese actress? "Paper Mario: The Origami King developers talk origami influences, hidden Toads and celebrating Super Mario". GamesRadar. Archived from the original on July 29, 2020.
  • ALT1:... that game producer Kensuke Tanabe developed Olivia from Paper Mario: The Origami King with "a certain Japanese actress" in mind?

• Reviewed: Second DYK, QPQ exempt

Improved to Good Article status by Le Panini (talk). Self-nominated at 02:17, 18 November 2020 (UTC).

• As someone who has never played this game before and knows next to nothing about it, I do not think either of these hooks are particularly strong or "hooky". I do not think it was a good idea to make both hooks about the character Olivia as that does not mean much for people unfamiliar with the game. I would recommend thinking of a different approach. Aoba47 (talk) 01:57, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

• First time here. I would like to suggest the fact that the idea of the battle system is based on Rubik's Cube. MilkyDefer (talk) 12:09, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

• I was gonna suggest a DYK about Shigeru Miyamoto not being involved with the development process. I would word in a way where people new to the game would still be surprised about it. Hers an example.

• ALT2: ... that Shigeru Miyamoto, the creator of Mario, was barely involved with the development of Paper Mario: The Origami King? "Paper Mario: The Origami King devs had "almost complete control" over direction". VG247. Retrieved November 6, 2020.

Or it could be about the Rubik's cube, but it up to @Aoba47:. Le Panini ^Talk 12:40, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

• I will leave this up to another editor. I just wanted to raise my concern about the initial hooks. Good luck with this. Aoba47 (talk) 17:59, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

• Full review needed. And, IMO, a better hook. Yoninah (talk) 13:53, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

@Yoninah: Sorry I didn't notice this sooner. Here are a couple of other options:

• ALT3: ... that the combat system in Paper Mario: The Origami King is based off of a Rubik's Cube? "Paper Mario: The Origami King Folds Familiar Elements Into An All-New Adventure".

• ALT3a: ... that the producer of Paper Mario: The Origami King compared the game's combat system to a Rubik's Cube? Yoninah (talk) 21:31, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

• ALT4: ... That Paper Mario: The Origami King uses office supplies as boss battles to pair with its origami theme?"Paper Mario: The Origami King - our exclusive interview with the developers".
• ALT5: ... That the developers created real life mockups of origami characters in Paper Mario: The Origami King to make them appear as realistic as possible?"Paper Mario's Development Team Lays It All Out".

Would you prefer any of these options instead? Le Panini ^[🥪] 05:49, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

• Thank you, ALT3a (which I have rewritten based on the article) and ALT4 are both good candidates. We need a full review here. Kingsif, are you available? Yoninah (talk) 21:31, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

• Article promoted to GA on day of nom - good, new, long enough. However, a copyvio check shows up some issues with the use of the [gameinformer.com/preview/2020/06/30/a-new-crease-on-life-nintendo-shares-insight-on-paper-marios-latest-adventure Game Informer source]: it's all direct quotations, but to the point that nearly 50% of the Game Informer article is quoted. I can't get that source to load from earwig to see the context of the original, but the headline says it's an interview and there is more leniency with quoted %age when it's a person's words (i.e. said in an interview) rather than copyrighted text (i.e. creative journalism). So if the nominator could confirm the quotations in the article are from an interview. As for the hooks, looking at ALT3a and ALT4, both are interesting. 3a is preferred since 4 is only mentioned/sourced in a quote box, not prose. Both facts are sourced in line. Kingsif (talk) 02:09, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Yes, the direct quotations are from the interviews directly; the two quotations are from PCGames and Eurogamer Germany, and quotations in text are mostly from Game Informer. I paraphrased these quotes, but it seems that a copyediting reintroduced some of these quotes back for better wording. Le Panini ^[🥪] 16:49, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Looks good to go with one of the approved hooks, then. Kingsif (talk) 16:59, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Genre

I am not sold on this game warranting the label of Cross-genre. It is a side entry to the Mario series that doesn't do anything too unfamiliar other than a new style of RPG combat. As the infobox says, it is an RPG Action-Adventure, with simple RPG elements. Debate below and let me know if this isn't protocol. Klayman55 (talk) 18:29, 9 March 2021 (UTC)Klayman55

See Talk:Paper Mario: The Origami King/Archive 1 and Archive 2 for more info as to why this is in place. (I won't be surprised if you choose not to, it is likely an hour long read). CaptainGalaxy 15:12, 15 April 2022 (UTC)