Talk:Paschal mystery

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Mystery is the key word[edit]

There are several pages that discuss different aspects of the Paschal (Easter) season. This page should focus on the mystery part of the phrase. e.g a) The mystery that Christ could die for us? b) The mystery that he had to die? or c) The mystery that he was raised from the dead? What specifically is the mysterious portion of this? Waarmstr 19:15, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Mystery" as used here is a theological term with a specific meaning. It does not mean, "Something doesn't make sense to us." Rather, it means something with so profound of a meaning, no matter how much we understood about it, there would always be more to discover. In this sense, the entire event of the Passion, Death, and Resurrection of Jesus forms the Paschal Mystery, for it is these taken as a whole that become the "Mystery" that can not be fully unraveled. --Threej lc (talk) 03:03, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Mystery" as a Christian theological concept is identical with the word "sacrament". It has absolutely nothing to do with the contemporary meaning of "unknown" and only a tangential relation to the meaning of "secret" -ie. in the sense of "esoteric" or "known only to initiates".

72.135.236.251 (talk) 21:09, 9 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Checking[edit]

Checking, this is indeed a theological term. It is used in multiple theological traditions, both outside [1] and inside the Roman Catholic church.[2] It appears to be somewhat controversial within Roman Catholic theology.[3] [4] [5] Definitely a stub with significant potential for improvement. GRBerry 15:36, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Paschal Mystery in itself[edit]

The article rightly begins by defining the Paschal Mystery as the suffering, death and resurrection of Christ. It then makes an abrupt turn to the Eucharist. Clearly for Catholics, Orthodox and some protestants, there is an essential tie. But, it would valuable to dwell longer on the contents of the mystery itself a bit longer before discussing its celebration in the Eucharist. Even Christians who do not celebrate the Eucharist as hold the Paschal Mystery as central to the Christian faith.

Also, another liturgical observation would be that this is one of the two central mysteries of Christianity (along with the Incarnation) which are the focal points of the liturgical calendars of virtually all Christians. So, this mystery is theologically related to and completes the other central mystery, the Incarnation.

As theological mysteries, these two along with the mystery of the Creation and the Fall are also pivotal for the Christian spiritual life and progress.

Is there anyone interested in developing further this article with me? Also, I clearly do not want to diminish the connection with the Eucharist, but think this connection will be richer for having explained the mystery more fully in itself.EastmeetsWest (talk) 18:15, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I understand, you prefer to explain the paschal mystery as something spiritual. It might be understood like that by some. But if we take this therm historically, from the very beginning it was brought to people by means of celebrating the Eucharist, i.e. Easter liturgy and indeed Sunday church meeting - as you can see it in Corinth (1 Cor ch. 10 and 11). You might need to browse some early liturgical texts to see that I am right. Connection between the paschal mystery and Eucharist is not a later invention of some denominations.--Quodvultdeus (talk) 15:36, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Is "deidecaters" a word?[edit]

The second paragraph after the TOC ends with "... word of God and faith initiates the deidecaters (cf. Eph 1,17ff)." If that's a theological term, it would be good to link to some sort of definition. All I found by Googling was this page and mirrors. If it's just a miss-spelling, can anyone even guess what word that was supposed to be?-- KLuwak (talk) 19:57, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Space-Time?[edit]

The referenced source material does not mention space-time, and it is not clear that the use of the word "space-time" even makes sense in this context. 63.67.15.26 (talk) 20:09, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]