Talk:Paul Horner

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January 2017 reverts[edit]

Hi Jytdog, the Paul Horner article is on my watch list, so I noticed your reverts here and here. The rationale you provided was: "not about Horner". However, the edits you reverted were indeed about Horner. Please can you explain those reverts, or else undo the second one if the reverts were in error? Thanks. zazpot (talk) 02:49, 25 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your note. If you look at the history of the page you will see a whole series of shitty edits from an IP, which generally add promotional garbage. I have regretted creating and arguing to keep this article ever since I did it, due to this shit. The most recent was this:

The goal is to lure people in with a false, clickbait title -- “Twitter Deletes Trump’s Twitter Account” has gotten over a million views, Horner told the International Business Times, and then offer them persuasive facts in the story. “It gets that person that’s a follower of TMZ -- people that don’t follow anything political or know anything really that’s going on, they just know Donald Trump is our next president… it gets the person who will read that story (to) pretty much (be) forced to learn about everything that’s negative about Trump."[1]

References

  1. ^ http://www.ibtimes.com/does-fake-news-help-trump-writer-plans-stop-white-house-publishing-lies-2477770
Which is more of the same. This is not a newspaper where we quote article subjects extensively. This is not a how-to article (per WP:NOTHOW) for advice from Horner about how to write fake news.
There is no encyclopedic value to this, nor to any edit that IP address has added to this article. Jytdog (talk) 03:14, 25 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Note, in these diffs i went through and cleaned up the quotes that had been added, and some other things, to make this more like an encyclopedia article. Perhaps this will dis-incentivize the IP from trying to add more of this promotional, unencyclopedic, newspaper/gossip bad content. Jytdog (talk) 07:14, 25 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for explaining the real reason for those reverts, and for providing more accurate edit summaries on your subsequent edits. I see where you are coming from, and appreciate your good intentions.
On a different note: your swearing above at the anonymous editor's actions is understandable based on the context you provided, but even so, would you mind editing it in accordance with WP:REMOVEUNCIVIL? Thanks, and have a good day! zazpot (talk) 01:52, 26 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 28 April 2017[edit]

PaulBonerville (talk) 13:22, 28 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@PaulBonerville: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Murph9000 (talk) 13:26, 28 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 28 April 2017[edit]

PaulBonerville (talk) 13:51, 28 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@PaulBonerville: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Murph9000 (talk) 13:54, 28 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 29 April 2017[edit]

I keep on letting you guys know what needs to be added, and you keep saying that you don't understand.

Paul Horner just spoke at the European Parliament about fake news and the importance of fact checking

Paul Horner called CNN fake news one month before Donald Trump did - LIVE on CNN with Anderson Cooper

There's so much more... I don't know how to get you this info, and I would up date the page, but I can't

Here's this though from Wikipedia's fake news page, I hope that helps:

Copied text from Fake news article. In future, please just link to other Wikipedia articles, it's usually not necessary to copy huge blocks of text across.

The most well-known fake news writer Paul Horner, behind such stories as convincing the Internet that he is the graffiti artist Banksy and had been arrested [1][2]and a story about a man who stopped a robbery in a diner by quoting Pulp Fiction;[3] the story was posted on the Miramax website,[4] had an "enormous impact" on the 2016 U.S. presidential election according to CBS News;[5] they consistently appeared in Google's top news search results, were shared widely on Facebook, and were taken seriously and shared by third parties such as Trump presidential campaign manager Corey Lewandowski, Eric Trump, ABC News, and the Fox News Channel.[6][7][8] Horner later claimed that his work during this period was intended "to make Trump's supporters look like idiots for sharing my stories".[9]

In a November 2016 interview with The Washington Post, Horner expressed regret for the role his fake news stories played in the election and surprise at how gullible people were in treating his stories as news.[10][11][12][10][13][14][15][3][16] In February, 2017 Horner said, "I truly regret my comment about saying that I think Donald Trump is in the White House because of me. I know all I did was attack him and his supporters and got people not to vote for him. When I said that comment it was because I was confused how this evil got elected President and I thought maybe instead of hurting his campaign, maybe I had helped it. My intention was to get his supporters NOT to vote for him and I know for a fact that I accomplished that goal. The far right, a lot of the Bible thumpers and alt right were going to vote him regardless, but I know I swayed so many that were on the fence."[17] In December of 2016, while speaking on Anderson Cooper 360, Horner said all news is fake news and called CNN "fake news", which was one month before Donald Trump said the same comment about CNN being fake news.[18][19][20] Horner spoke at the European Parliament in March, speaking about fake news and the importance of fact checking.[21] In April, 2017 the Huffington Post called Horner a "performance artist".[22] Horner also claims a story of his about a rape festival in India helped generate over $250,000 in donations to giveindia.org, a site that helps rape victims in India.[23][24][25] Horner also claims a story of his about a rape festival in India helped generate over $250,000 in donations to giveindia.org, a site that helps rape victims in India.[26][27][28]

References

  1. ^ LaCapria, Kim (November 2, 2016). "Snopes' Field Guide to Fake News Sites and Hoax Purveyors". Snopes.
  2. ^ Hathaway, Jay (October 20, 2014). "Banksy Has Not Been Arrested, And His Name Isn't Paul Horner". Gawker.
  3. ^ a b Hedegaard, Erik (29 November 2016), "How a Fake Newsman Accidentally Helped Trump Win the White House - Paul Horner thought he was trolling Trump supporters – but after the election, the joke was on him", Rolling Stone, retrieved 29 November 2016
  4. ^ "Man quotes PULP FICTION - stops robbery". Miramax. December 5, 2013.
  5. ^ "Facebook fake news creator claims he put Trump in White House". CBS News. November 17, 2016.
  6. ^ Jacobson, Louis (November 17, 2016). "No, someone wasn't paid $3,500 to protest Donald Trump". Politifact.
  7. ^ Daro, Ishmael N. (October 28, 2016). "How A Prankster Convinced People The Amish Would Win Trump The Election". BuzzFeed.
  8. ^ French, Sally (November 18, 2016). "This person makes $10,000 a month writing fake news". MarketWatch.
  9. ^ Bratu, Becky; et al. (December 15, 2016). "Tall Tale or Satire? Authors of So-Called 'Fake News' Feel Misjudged". NBC News. {{cite news}}: Explicit use of et al. in: |last1= (help)
  10. ^ a b Dewey, Caitlin (November 17, 2016). "Facebook fake-news writer: 'I think Donald Trump is in the White House because of me'". Washington Post.
  11. ^ Neidig, Harper (November 17, 2016). "Fake news giant: I feel bad about putting Trump in the White House". TheHill.
  12. ^ Genzlinger, Neil (November 17, 2016). "'Duck Dynasty' Legacy: Real, Fake and Upfront About It". The New York Times.
  13. ^ Sykes, Charles (November 25, 2016). "Donald Trump and the Rise of Alt-Reality Media". Politico.
  14. ^ Binckes, Jeremy (November 17, 2016). ""People are definitely dumber": Thanks to Facebook, a viral fake-news writer is making $10,000 a month". Salon.
  15. ^ Madigan, Charles M. (November 21, 2016). "The danger of a leader who believes what 'people are saying ...'". Chicago Tribune.
  16. ^ "Comedian Who Writes Fake News Claims: Trump Won The Election Because Of Me". Inside Edition. November 18, 2016.
  17. ^ http://www.azfamily.com/story/34523534/fake-news-writer-regrets-taking-credit-for-trump-victory?autostart=true
  18. ^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD14q96MP20
  19. ^ http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2016/12/13/fake-news-writer-cooper-intv-ac.cnn
  20. ^ http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/16/politics/donald-trump-press-conference-amazing-day-in-history/
  21. ^ http://web.events.streamovations.be/index.php/event/stream/fake-news-in-social-media-as-reality-shapers
  22. ^ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/alex-jones_us_58f60e61e4b0da2ff8632204
  23. ^ https://www.buzzfeed.com/ishmaeldaro/rt-fake-news-debate-paul-horner-winston-mckenzie
  24. ^ https://www.buzzfeed.com/tasneemnashrulla/an-american-website-wrote-a-satirical-article-about-an-india
  25. ^ http://gulfnews.com/news/asia/india/us-website-s-rape-festival-report-sparks-uproar-1.1257892
  26. ^ https://www.buzzfeed.com/ishmaeldaro/rt-fake-news-debate-paul-horner-winston-mckenzie
  27. ^ https://www.buzzfeed.com/tasneemnashrulla/an-american-website-wrote-a-satirical-article-about-an-india
  28. ^ http://gulfnews.com/news/asia/india/us-website-s-rape-festival-report-sparks-uproar-1.1257892

PaulBonerville (talk) 02:27, 29 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@PaulBonerville: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Your previous requests were entirely empty, and did not let anyone know what you wanted. This request is still missing the key information regarding what you actually would like to be changed. You have given some general information, but the edit request system requires that you actually make a specific request. Murph9000 (talk) 22:26, 29 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 2 May 2017[edit]

Please add this:

Horner said he doesn't like being grouped with people who write fake news solely to be misleading. "They just write it just to write fake news, like there's no purpose, there's no satire, there's nothing clever. All the stories I wrote were to make Trump's supporters look like idiots for sharing my stories."[1] 2600:8800:4002:600:A13A:BEC9:4861:8DD3 (talk) 08:47, 2 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tall-tale-or-satire-authors-so-called-fake-news-feel-n689421

Semi-protected edit request on 2 May 2017[edit]

Please add this:

Horner said he doesn't like being grouped with people who write fake news solely to be misleading. "They just write it just to write fake news, like there's no purpose, there's no satire, there's nothing clever. All the stories I wrote were to make Trump's supporters look like idiots for sharing my stories."[1]

I'm not asking to change X to Y. Just please add this. 2600:8800:4002:600:A13A:BEC9:4861:8DD3 (talk) 08:48, 2 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tall-tale-or-satire-authors-so-called-fake-news-feel-n689421

Semi-protected edit request on 2 May 2017[edit]

Please add this:

Horner spoke to the European Parliament in March about fake news and the importance of fact checking. FYI - 26 minutes in is where he starts talking. Horner also does a Q&A at the end of this. http://web.events.streamovations.be/index.php/event/stream/fake-news-in-social-media-as-reality-shapers

I'm not asking to change X to Y. Please just add this. 2600:8800:4002:600:A13A:BEC9:4861:8DD3 (talk) 08:49, 2 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 2 May 2017[edit]

Please ad this:

In March of 2017, Winston McKenzie on RT (TV network) called Paul Horner worse than ISIS and that he should be locked up.[1]

I don't know how to add this or what change X to Y means. Please help? 2600:8800:4002:600:A13A:BEC9:4861:8DD3 (talk) 09:38, 2 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.buzzfeed.com/ishmaeldaro/rt-fake-news-debate-paul-horner-winston-mckenzie

Semi-protected edit request on 2 May 2017[edit]

Please add this:

Horner, on Anderson Cooper 360, said that CNN is fake news. This was one month before Donald Trump said the exact same words.[1]

I don't know how to add this or what change X to Y means. Sorry about the Youtube link but it is the ONLY source out there with this full interview. The one with CNN is only 2 minutes long and doesn't include this factual information that is insanely huge. Please help? 2600:8800:4002:600:A13A:BEC9:4861:8DD3 (talk) 09:40, 2 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD14q96MP20

Semi-protected edit request on 2 May 2017[edit]

Please change X to Y, thank you!

The most well-known fake news writer, Paul Horner, behind such stories as convincing the Internet that he is the graffiti artist Banksy and had been arrested [1][2]and a story about a man who stopped a robbery in a diner by quoting Pulp Fiction;[3] the story was posted on the Miramax website,[4] had an "enormous impact" on the 2016 U.S. presidential election according to CBS News;[5] they consistently appeared in Google's top news search results, were shared widely on Facebook, and were taken seriously and shared by third parties such as Trump presidential campaign manager Corey Lewandowski, Eric Trump, ABC News, and the Fox News Channel.[6][7][8] Horner later claimed that his work during this period was intended "to make Trump's supporters look like idiots for sharing my stories".[9]

In a November 2016 interview with The Washington Post, Horner expressed regret for the role his fake news stories played in the election and surprise at how gullible people were in treating his stories as news.[10][11][12][10][13][14][15][3][16][excessive citations] In February, 2017 Horner said, "I truly regret my comment about saying that I think Donald Trump is in the White House because of me. I know all I did was attack him and his supporters and got people not to vote for him. When I said that comment it was because I was confused how this evil got elected President and I thought maybe instead of hurting his campaign, maybe I had helped it. My intention was to get his supporters NOT to vote for him and I know for a fact that I accomplished that goal. The far right, a lot of the Bible thumpers and alt right were going to vote him regardless, but I know I swayed so many that were on the fence."[17] In December of 2016, while speaking on Anderson Cooper 360, Horner said all news is fake news and called CNN "fake news", which was one month before Donald Trump said the same comment about CNN being fake news.[18][19][20] Horner spoke at the European Parliament in March, speaking about fake news and the importance of fact checking.[21] Horner also claims a story of his about a rape festival in India helped generate over $250,000 in donations to giveindia.org, a site that helps rape victims in India.[22][23][24] Horner said he doesn't like being grouped with people who write fake news solely to be misleading. "They just write it just to write fake news, like there's no purpose, there's no satire, there's nothing clever. All the stories I wrote were to make Trump's supporters look like idiots for sharing my stories."[25] 2600:8800:4002:600:A13A:BEC9:4861:8DD3 (talk) 10:29, 2 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ LaCapria, Kim (November 2, 2016). "Snopes' Field Guide to Fake News Sites and Hoax Purveyors". Snopes.
  2. ^ Hathaway, Jay (October 20, 2014). "Banksy Has Not Been Arrested, And His Name Isn't Paul Horner". Gawker.
  3. ^ a b Hedegaard, Erik (29 November 2016), "How a Fake Newsman Accidentally Helped Trump Win the White House - Paul Horner thought he was trolling Trump supporters – but after the election, the joke was on him", Rolling Stone, retrieved 29 November 2016
  4. ^ "Man quotes PULP FICTION - stops robbery". Miramax. December 5, 2013.
  5. ^ "Facebook fake news creator claims he put Trump in White House". CBS News. November 17, 2016.
  6. ^ Jacobson, Louis (November 17, 2016). "No, someone wasn't paid $3,500 to protest Donald Trump". Politifact.
  7. ^ Daro, Ishmael N. (October 28, 2016). "How A Prankster Convinced People The Amish Would Win Trump The Election". BuzzFeed.
  8. ^ French, Sally (November 18, 2016). "This person makes $10,000 a month writing fake news". MarketWatch.
  9. ^ Bratu, Becky; et al. (December 15, 2016). "Tall Tale or Satire? Authors of So-Called 'Fake News' Feel Misjudged". NBC News. {{cite news}}: Explicit use of et al. in: |last1= (help)
  10. ^ a b Dewey, Caitlin (November 17, 2016). "Facebook fake-news writer: 'I think Donald Trump is in the White House because of me'". Washington Post.
  11. ^ Neidig, Harper (November 17, 2016). "Fake news giant: I feel bad about putting Trump in the White House". TheHill.
  12. ^ Genzlinger, Neil (November 17, 2016). "'Duck Dynasty' Legacy: Real, Fake and Upfront About It". The New York Times.
  13. ^ Sykes, Charles (November 25, 2016). "Donald Trump and the Rise of Alt-Reality Media". Politico.
  14. ^ Binckes, Jeremy (November 17, 2016). ""People are definitely dumber": Thanks to Facebook, a viral fake-news writer is making $10,000 a month". Salon.
  15. ^ Madigan, Charles M. (November 21, 2016). "The danger of a leader who believes what 'people are saying ...'". Chicago Tribune.
  16. ^ "Comedian Who Writes Fake News Claims: Trump Won The Election Because Of Me". Inside Edition. November 18, 2016.
  17. ^ http://www.azfamily.com/story/34523534/fake-news-writer-regrets-taking-credit-for-trump-victory?autostart=true
  18. ^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD14q96MP20
  19. ^ http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2016/12/13/fake-news-writer-cooper-intv-ac.cnn
  20. ^ http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/16/politics/donald-trump-press-conference-amazing-day-in-history/
  21. ^ http://web.events.streamovations.be/index.php/event/stream/fake-news-in-social-media-as-reality-shapers
  22. ^ https://www.buzzfeed.com/ishmaeldaro/rt-fake-news-debate-paul-horner-winston-mckenzie
  23. ^ https://www.buzzfeed.com/tasneemnashrulla/an-american-website-wrote-a-satirical-article-about-an-india
  24. ^ http://gulfnews.com/news/asia/india/us-website-s-rape-festival-report-sparks-uproar-1.1257892
  25. ^ http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tall-tale-or-satire-authors-so-called-fake-news-feel-n689421

Response to semi-protected edit requests[edit]

@2600:8800:4002:600:A13A:BEC9:4861:8DD3:

"which US intelligence agencies...confirm" should probably be changed to something like "which is alleged to have"[edit]

the CIA and the FBI are not exactly impartial, scholarly resources. I'm no fan of Trump, but it's very dangerous for Wikipedia articles to simply report the conclusions of agencies with gallons of blood on their hands. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.185.171.204 (talk) 04:26, 22 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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