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Pedo[edit]

is this from the greek pedo?

yes. there is a wiki entry for 'pedo'. apparently it can mean soil or children -Lordraydens 22:23, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, that double meaning has led to some interesting wp:vandalism on the article page, especially so far as the pedophilia taboo is concerned. waaaay to go, word-shorteners. 204.52.215.107 02:42, 17 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It has a very ammusing name, i'm surprised it has gone un-vandalised for so longTowel401 (talk) 22:27, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

can't believe it eitherGranito diaz (talk) 22:38, 25 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Lede is flawed[edit]

The first paragraph of the lede states (May 6, 2015):
"The pedosphere is the outermost layer of the Earth that is composed of soil and subject to soil formation processes."

It then goes on to contradict this with:

" The sum total of all the organisms, soils, water and air is termed as the "pedosphere". ['termed as'? sigh...]

Worse, it goes on to contradict both of those by the statement:

"It exists at the interface of the lithosphere, atmosphere, hydrosphere and biosphere. The pedosphere is the skin of the Earth and only develops when there is a dynamic interaction [compared to interactions that aren't 'dynamic', I guess?] between the atmosphere (air in and above the soil), biosphere (living organisms), lithosphere (unconsolidated regolith and consolidated bedrock) and the hydrosphere (water in, on and below the soil)." So, we learn that it is "soil", no wait - it is soil and all organisms (which any Freshman biology student knows exist as high as the lower stratosphere (if not higher) and as deep as 2 miles (if not deeper) down into the ground and well below the 7 mile bottom of oceanic trenches (not that that area is adequately known) and water "on" the soil, no wait - not water but the hydrosphere...
IF it is "the skin of the Earth" then there are two reasonable interpretations: 1. That it is the "surface of the Earth, mostly composed of water (the famous 70%). OR 2. That it is the solid surface of the Earth. Either of those may include biological life. Note to the dis-illuminati: the outer 'layer' of the Earth is the Exosphere. The outermost surface of the Earth is either the Crust (if solid surface is meant) or the Crust and the oceans (with other categories of water/rock/biosphere possibly included depending on context). I also note that the article makes the highly dubious statement "There is a realization that the pedosphere needs to be distinctly recognized as a dynamic interface of all terrestrial ecosystems and be integrated into the Earth System Science knowledge base." This requires a STRONG reference (otherwise, there is a realization that it is a fanboy, non-objective comment). I'd guess finding a citation that justifies its presence in the lede is unlikely (just NOT important enough). You should also note that it being the 'interface' between ecosystems is ANOTHER contradictory statement. Perhaps if the lede started with the admission that the term is used by ecologists and others artistic types and is used without clear meaning, it would be more palatable...72.172.10.20 (talk) 20:56, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes - it certainly needs a re-write. You are more than welcome to chop the fluff and write a succinct replacement. Charge on. Vsmith (talk) 21:21, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed some of these issues as well. I just removed the worst bit. ("The sum total of all the organisms, soils, water and air is termed as the "pedosphere"."). Mrienstra (talk) 08:19, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Fulvic acid[edit]

A source supporting that fulvic acids contribute to pedogenesis is needed to retain mention of fulvic acid in this article.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Paleorthid (talk • contribs) 17:53, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What's the original Germanic name for the Pedosphere?[edit]

The greek-style word really does leave a bad taste on the tongue. 124.169.138.82 (talk) 02:11, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]