Talk:Pennsylvania Virtual Charter School

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Please do not cut/paste content from [1] - see our copyright policy. Thanks. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 16:31, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am the Director of Communications for the Pennsylvania Virtual Charter School. The content that is copyrighted on the http://www.pavcs.org web site was written by me. I am willing to grant Wikipedia permission to use material so that the PAVCS posting on wikipedia is correct. I will undo the edits that ZimZalaBim has made because I am trying to provide comprehensive information about the school. The information posted before my edits we so incorrect that they were detrimental to the operation of my school.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jlyons4274 (talk • contribs).

How can RyGuy and ZimZalaBim, who know absolutely nothing about my school, make changes to the information that I, the Director of Communications for this school, have submitted. What you keep posting is completely innacurate and borderline libelous. Please restore my edits. If you want to make grammatical changes or take out things you think are too fluffy, I have no problem with that. What you need to understand are that parents considering enrolling their children in a charter school need comprehensive information. If they find a posting on wikipedia such as the one submitted by RyGuy they have no idea what this school offers. PAVCS is a public school with teachers and curriculum. IT IS NOT HOMESCHOOLING. K12 inc. Is a curriculum provider. IT IS NOT A FLASH PROGRAM. The mistakes you are posting under PAVCS are horrific. It is obvious that you have no idea how we operate. I am just trying to post accurate information about my school.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.105.38.211 (talk • contribs).

I have reverted RyGuy's deletion, as it appears you have released the content to be published here. Also, please remember to sign into your account, and sign your comments with 4 tildes (~~~~. THanks. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 17:35, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I know this may sound uncivil, but I am a student (though I won't reveal which one) with PAVCS and I know from personal experience that K12 is a flash program. I right click and it says "About Macromedia Flash Player 8" as one of the selection. I also don't belive that "The Director of Communications" would refer to PAVCS as "my school". Ry Guy 17:42, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My apologys, I see now that to text was released to be published. I am sorry for the misunderstanding. Ry Guy 10:59, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup & Wikifying[edit]

I have cleaned up the entire article and replaced unnecessary <br/> tags with line terminators. I have also changed the numeric lists (1. 2. 3.) to the "#" format. Does that suffice the "Cleanup Tag" requirement? --Freiddie 12:53, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Strong evidence of being written by the school. THis article should reflect consensus. That is the way the wiki operates. Anyone can edit this article. No one should vandalise or damage. If there are issues with vandalism then we can help. Victuallers 12:58, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So who is going to help clean up the article and remove the unsightly "Cleanup" tag? --Freiddie 20:46, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The article looks good to me; even if the article was written by a school administrator, what about it still needs cleaning? --CharliePATpk 13:33, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Advertisment and notability issues[edit]

This article suffers from a host of issues - it was written primarily by an employee (and therefore reads like an advertisement), it is unreferenced, fails to establish notability, and contains what appears to be mostly original research. A Google search pulls up enough hits to appear to warrant encyclopedic mention, so the difficulty lies in determine what here can be cut out and what should be kept.

I'm tempted to start an AfD because this clearly meets the G11 criteria for speedy deletion: Pages which exclusively promote some entity and which would need to be fundamentally rewritten to become encyclopedic. But, as I mentioned above, I still believe that an article can come out of this, so I don't feel that deletion would be the best solution. At any rate, I'm open to comments on what to do here. Tijuana Brass (talk) 22:42, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I just tried to fix it. You can do an Afd if you want, remove the COI templates, or leave it for others to work on. I am done with this article for tonight. TableManners ^U·T·C 05:19, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

One of the best rewrites I've seen - I wasn't expecting someone to come along and take it on, especially done so well. Great work. I might take a look through to see if there's some salvageable content out of the promotional material, and I'm removing the Linux email bit as irrelevant. Otherwise, this looks like a big improvement, despite it being much shorter. Tijuana Brass (talk) 22:57, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree totally -- a very effective rewrite. This page had serious COI and copyvio issues. It required paraphrsing not cut-and-paste from the website because a) how are we going to resolve copyvio issues? We don't know if this person is who he says he is or if he has the legal authority to release such rights (works of employees are typically owned by the employer unless there are explicit contractual agreements stating otherwise) and b) the art of encyclopedia writing is paraphrasing. All the extra baggage, in fact, does a disservice to PVCS. Let the interested reader go to the website for that kind of detail. ∴ Therefore | talk 21:45, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly interesting factoid?[edit]

So I plugged this place into Westlaw and found an administrative appeal under the Pennsylvania Right to Know Law. The case itself isn't at all interesting, but the information sought is a bit interesting. "The response [from the school] indicated that the combined amount of money spent on advertising and marketing [in the 2008-2009 school year] was $337,288 and the total annual compensation received by all administrators [in the 2008-2009 school year] was $5,472,338." Lakatosh v. Pennsylvania Virtual Charter Sch., 2010 WL 2128753 (Pa. Off. Open Rec. 2010). —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 22:50, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If there's a reliable source for that, then I'd say a sentence on that is relevant, in the "governance" section. Ruby Murray 23:12, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's a primary source, but it's info straight from their mouths, and it's directly cited by the ALJ in the opinion. It's not bad by a long shot. Anyway, I don't have anything better. Maybe a search on those specific figures would turn up something somewhere. Oh, there's also a brief mention of PAVCS in a footnote of a law review article, where it's cited as an example of how using the parents to assist the teaching has the effect of discriminating against enrollment by children whose parents just don't have the time to supervise the child's education. Edward Lin, Note, "'Virtual' Schools: Real Discrimination," 32 Seattle U.L. Rev. 177, 186 n.67 (citing Shira J. Boss (2002), "Virtual Charters: Public Schooling, At Home," Christian Science Monitor, at 14). —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 06:53, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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