Talk:Perioeci

A fact from Perioeci appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 21 July 2005. The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the Perioikoi were free inhabitants but not citizens under Spartan rule?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2005/July.

Wikipedia

Military history: Classical

This article is within the scope of the Military history WikiProject. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks. To use this banner, please see the full instructions.Military historyWikipedia:WikiProject Military historyTemplate:WikiProject Military historymilitary history articles

This article has been checked against the following criteria for B-class status:
Referencing and citation: criterion not met Coverage and accuracy: criterion met Structure: criterion met Grammar and style: criterion met Supporting materials: criterion not met

Associated task forces:
/
	Classical warfare task force (c. 700 BC – c. 500 AD)

Greece Low‑importance

	Greece portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Greece, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Greek history on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.GreeceWikipedia:WikiProject GreeceTemplate:WikiProject GreeceGreek articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Classical Greece and Rome Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome, a group of contributors interested in Wikipedia's articles on classics. If you would like to join the WikiProject or learn how to contribute, please see our project page. If you need assistance from a classicist, please see our talk page.Classical Greece and RomeWikipedia:WikiProject Classical Greece and RomeTemplate:WikiProject Classical Greece and RomeClassical Greece and Rome articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Comments[edit]

Broken sentences at the beginning of the second section. I don't know what they're supposed to say, so I can't correct.

What a weird article to feature on the front page. It clearly needs some cleanup, but this isn't my subject.--Firsfron 15:14, 19 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Very poorly written. It's an obscure article, so, anyone who knows anything about the Periokoi, please edit this!

Here are translations and properly correct this part:

nlaw ...marines. On the other hand, they were unallowed to become magistrates to participate in the assembly. They were subjected to the Ephors. According to Isocrates (12, 181), those can make them carry out themselves, without passing through Gerousia. One example was the allies, they must follow the foreign policies of Sparta, but they were not beneficient from the right of veto of the members of the Peloponnesian League. - Pumpie, 02:25 (UTC), 23/7/2005

Were peioikoi in Sparta analogous to dhimmis in Islamic societies? GCarty 19:45, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There were at least some differences. For one thing, there is no sign they could choose to join the Spartiates. The Muslims discouraged conversion, sometimes; but it was always possible. Also, Dhimmis are organized into churches. I don't remember any evidence that the peroikoi had poleis of their own Septentrionalis 06:24, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Perioeci or Perioikoi[edit]

I'm an ancient history student and have never seen the perioeci spelling. The ancient Greeks spelt it περιοικοσ (literally perioikos). Like a lot of Greek to English words the ending got changed, but I see no reason to change the rest of the word, especially as perioeci is a less elegant looking word and far harder to pronounce! I'll change this in a few weeks unless anyone has any objections Lamename Cheesestring Rodriguez 22:53, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I do object; what dogmatically anti-Latin textbook have you been using? I agree that Latinizing the ending without the rest of it is silly; but why meddle with English usage at all? The Hellenists should be able to cope with either spelling; and who else will be helped? I haven't seen anything so abruptly parting from English since Robert Browning took the transliteration of Greek in hand; and he failed, fortunately. (Btw, if you're going to edit Greek articles, the edit screen does have a terminal ς; at least use it, if you're not going to spell περίοικος with paedantic correctitude (or I suppose I must say paidantic ;->) Septentrionalis 23:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Calm down there. This isn't some nonsense I've just plucked from a textbook! You've latched on to the second part of my argument, which I'll happily agree is a matter of opinion. However, my main point was that I hadn't seen the perioeci spelling anywhere else, so from my point of view I was supporting English usage. The idea that I'm attempting some kind of spelling revolution is clearly ridiculous. Obviously the whole point of raising this issue was to see if others disagreed, and as you do I won't move the page. I would however, welcome opinions from others who don't have such huge chips on their shoulders about the age-old latinization debate Lamename Cheesestring Rodriguez 00:23, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm an ancient history student too, and I've only once come across "Perioeci". "Perioikoi" seems to be the spelling in current general use. To what extent that's part of any wider dispute I don't know. Michael184 (talk) 19:08, 6 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]