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Requested move 1 January 2024

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 (talk) 21:40, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]


– There is no actual need for disambiguation with the comma and the country at the end, because they're already spelled differently, with the 'y' vs. the 'i'. The page that is currently located at Pervomaysk should be deleted to make room. There can be hatnotes added to both the Ukrainian and Russian toponym pages that link to the other one if a reader somehow accidentally ends up at the wrong page. HappyWith (talk) 18:45, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Both spellings correspond to valid systematic romanizations of either language. The technical difference would be a prime or apostrophe as in Pervomaisʹk, but this is usually dropped in English usage. I don’t think Wikipedia’s choice of incompatible romanization systems for these two languages (the Russian one non-standard) qualifies as natural disambiguation of English names. (Pervomaisk should probably redirect to the disambiguation page Pervomaysk.)  —Michael Z. 04:31, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They need to be disambiguated anyway, because consensus insists that we continue to use Russian names for cities in Ukraine in at least some contexts.  —Michael Z. 01:01, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per above. The Britannica article for the town in eastern Ukraine for example has it called "Pervomaysk". The letter "й" can often be romanized as "i" or "y" for both languages. Disambiguation is therefore necessary. Mellk (talk) 08:54, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.