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Develop article[edit]

I propose to change this page from a redirect to an article about the 1902-16 Philadelphia Giants team. Please see my proposal at Talk:Boston Royal Giants#Philadelphia Giants and provide any comments there. BRMo 02:46, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Association led by Nat Strong[edit]

Lanctot 1994, 29ff, discusses the control of eastern black teams by white men with access to the ballparks. Based on control of several white semipro parks in NYC early in the 1900s, Nat Strong "built a booking empire". "Black teams seeking lucrative Sunday games in New York were forced to deal with Strong ...".

[To curtail player mobility,] in 1905 Nat Strong and several eastern owners formed the National Association of Colored Professional Clubs of the United States and Cuba. With Strong as secretary and business manager and Walter Schlichter as president, the organization handled bookings for the Philadelphia Giants, Brooklyn Royal Giants, Cuban X-Giants, Original Cuban Giants, and Cuban Stars of Havana, later absorbing other eastern and Cuban teams. ... In 1909, the association temporarily outlawed Sol White for leaving the Philadelphia Giants to form a new team based in Camden, New Jersey. Two years later, the association's only black owner, John Connors, defied the organization ... [and] Connors' Royal Giants found subsequent bookings scarce ... By 1913, the team had fallen into the hands of Strong.

In the reference note, page 243, Lanctot adds: "Champions of the association included the Philadelphia Giants from 1905 to 1907 and the Brooklyn Royal Giants from 1908 to 1909."

This NACPCUSC may be identical to the alphabet soup called the first black league in the article, the International League of Colored Baseball Clubs in American and Cuba (ILCBCAC).

The new Lincoln Giants, established 1911 by the white McMahon brothers with Sol White, successfully defied the Strong Association and signed several players from its teams, including the fatal signings of Philadelphia Giants (see the article), page 39.

The Lincoln Giants heyday was short while Nat Strong retained the Brooklyn Giants from 1913 until his death, and remained critical to the health of black professional baseball. --P64 (talk) 02:00, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ILBCAC / ILIP[edit]

The ILBCAC mentioned in the source for this article [1] seems to overlap with the Ilip. Does anyone know if these two leagues are the same league? Rgrds. --64.85.216.130 (talk) 06:04, 10 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]