Talk:Piano concertos by Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart

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More to come! Grahbudd 19:26, 13 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Someone please explain[edit]

Why do we quote music critics? "According to someone, this movement is Mozart's finest effort." Subjectivity doesn't belong here. You can't earn a degree in art perspicacity, and having a "name" as an art critic (who would want a name in such a realm, anyway?) proves nothing. It's a highly political realm. We need encyclopaedic material, not some random person's subjective, or completely fabricated in order to write a paragraph and uphold the view that he's a man of opinions about such things (a.k.a. "publish or perish"), opinion.

Confusing[edit]

I can barely keep track of which concerto this article is talking about within the second paragraph of "Early Vienna Concertos." Also, it would be really helpful if the concerti were referred to by number as well as KV number.

if you hold the cursor over the link, you get number and kv number, but i guess both might as well be included in the text —Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.5.225.172 (talk) 11:46, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The article needs a simple, straightforward enumeration of the concertos by number, Köchel number, key, and nickname (if any). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.69.24.230 (talk) 21:16, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I added a list of concertos. I agreed with you. I didn't add nicknames. Someone else can go hog-wild on that shit, yo!

Discography[edit]

I'm always torn as to how much to include for this. As you've said in the article, this section could get arbritarily large and might start to include discussions about which performances are "better" or "important" or perhaps even start to become place to advertise for recordings. At any rate, an Amazon searches are likely not the best way to show the number of recordings. Arkivmusic [1] has works collected by title/composer/performer, etc. Again, I'm not sure if it belongs in the article because this site is an online store and it might feel like we are advertising for them. DavidRF 15:03, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have no idea either. I just began by listing some of the "complete" sets. I also agree we should not "advertise" better or worse versions here (even though, ehh, I have some opinions on that matter, of course!).

Many thanks again for your help - Grahbudd 22:04, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Queries[edit]

1. Someone used the German word "Eingang" (actually, its plural "Eingänge"), without defining it. Could someone please resolve this mystery and adjust the text?

2. The text currently says that the finales are usually in rondo form, but I thought that they are usually in sonata rondo form. Could someone who knows the concertos (and the forms) well please resolve this?

Thank you, Opus33 (talk) 23:55, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The scribblings of a Mozart worshiper[edit]

Some of the statements in this article are not objective, they read like they were written by a 'fan'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rod Corkin (talk • contribs) 18:05, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed Cuts for Length and Clarity[edit]

This article is too long; I suggest we remove the discography and film soundtrack sections as essentially list trivia assuming there are no objections. Eusebeus (talk) 15:24, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Early Vienna Concertos[edit]

From the section "Early Vienna Concertos":

"No. 12, KV. 414 in A major, the second of the series, is particularly fine: it is often described as "Tyrolean", ..."

The word 'Tyrolean' links to a disambiguation page, and I might assume that it should refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Tyrol but I don't understand how that makes any sense. What would make a piece of music like the state of Tyrol Derekbd (talk) 11:23, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Near the end the section is found... "The last of these three, No. 13, KV. 415, is an ambitious, perhaps even overambitious work, that introduces the first, military theme in a canon in an impressive orchestral opening: the last movement is considered to be the best.""

Isn't that a very clumsy sentence, concluding with a POV statement? Derekbd (talk) 11:46, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK. I added fact tags for these two points.DavidRF (talk) 18:08, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of Piano Concertos by Concerto Number, Followed by K. Number, with Key and Date Info, With Links to the More Prolix Sections of the Article[edit]

For the love of God, will someone please do this? Otherwise, this is the biggest mess of an article I've ever read. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.198.27.10 (talk) 17:33, 30 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

OK - I got so annoyed I did it myself. Now we have a simple list so people (like me) who do not have it memorized have a nifty little resource. Would be nice if someone could add hyperlinks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.198.27.10 (talk) 17:52, 30 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Now I've added hyperlinks. You're welcome, ungrateful nerds!

How many?[edit]

This article says there are 24 concertos. {{Mozart piano concertos}} says there are 27, as does the book I'm studying: Forney, Kristine; Dell'Antonio, Andrew; Machlis, Joseph. The Enjoyment of Music. p. 189. ISBN 9780393639032. "His twenty-seven piano concertos, writen primarily as display pieces for his own public performances, .... How many are there, really? Is there some dispute about the definition, or inclusion? Maybe that should be expanded upon in the article. Otherwise, it seems like Wikipedia contradicts itself. -- Mikeblas (talk) 20:18, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The three difference are where he (very young) only arranged the works of others. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:28, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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