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Review: August 14, 2013. (Reviewed version).

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"Un Poco de Amor"

Does anyone know who the male artist is featured in "Un Poco de Amor"? — ShadowHalo 07:59, 15 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The name of that artist is: Howard Glassford. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.45.111.69 (talk) 00:49, 23 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Spanish titles

The Manual of Style clearly states that "capital letters are sometimes a matter of regional differences....If possible, as with spelling, use rules appropriate to the cultural and linguistic context; in other words, do not enforce American rules on pages about English or Australian topics or British rules on pages about American topics." The appropriate rule for Spanish titles calls for lower case letters. I propose we move Pies Descalzos to Pies descalzos as other users have in the past, as well as editing track titles and such.

Also, English translations of Spanish titles are both unnecessary and clumsy. I propose we remove them all. Oskarg956 06:52, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That only deals with differences in dialect; here, we're talking about an entirely different language. Wikipedia:Naming conventions (capitalization) states that "the capitalization found in most English language reliable sources is recommended" when dealing with foreign language articles. And the vast majority of English sources capitalize descalzos. 17Drew 02:46, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Cultural and linguistic context" spans more than just the dialectal aspect of language. We can make cases for either style because there is obviously a disparity in said "convention." The problem is consistency: We are selective about which rules we honor in this article and many like it. Spanish orthography calls for diacritical marks. Those have been maintained (e.g. aquí, antología, sueños, etc.), even when it's completely acceptable to omit them altogether in English writing. Even punctuation rules in Spanish writing are honored with the appearance of the inverted question mark (e.g. ¿Dónde...?). Spanish orthography also calls for lower case letters in titles. Why is that rule not honored? Would it be so terrible to edit for consistency and "use rules appropriate to the cultural and linguistic context" at the same time? The article does use 2/3 of the rules appropriate to Spanish writing. Why not go all the way? Oskarg956 06:07, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I totally agree. There's no excuse for the sudden English rules being applied to the titles.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 01:23, 11 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Foundation

There's a link to the foundation's website but maybe it's possible to write something about the foundation in the article? People don't know to click on the link if they don't know what the foundation is.

Billboard Notes

From the physical magazine:

[1]
[2]

Erick (talk) 07:18, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Pies Descalzos/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: WonderBoy1998 (talk · contribs) 18:36, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello-hello! I'm here to conduct the review for this album. Hope it doesn't take long! --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 18:36, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Files

All have fair use-rationales. --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 14:22, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

"The album additionally peaked at numbers 3 and 5 "- Make "3 and 5"→ "three and five" (Wikipedia:ORDINAL). --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 14:22, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done

Bg and Compo

Made minor changes myself
"Consequentially, Shakira took a two-year hiatus, allowing her to complete her high school education."- reference needed.

Done

"her first official studio album Pies Descalzos in 1996 by Sony Music and Columbia Records."- Were the first two not official? Clarify this.

Done

I think the publisher parameter of MetroLyrics will contain CBS Interactive.

Done

I would suggest adding the English translations of the song names in brackets. Like "Pienso en Ti" ("I Think of You").

Done

"asks for the return of a departed boyfriend, who cannot see herself without."- What?

Done

Do you not think the coverage of this section could be improved and incorporate more about the composition of individual songs? Like it is done in the articles Flashback (Ivy Queen album), She Wolf, and Fever (Kylie Minogue album). This will even help the article in case you try to do it for FAC.

Half done, since the entire album is made up of guitar-driven tracks, I was concerned I might become redundant if I mentioned that for each track. That being said, I did make note of tracks that have unique instruments of work with other genres, what do you think?

Fine by me! --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 15:58, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Singles

" it served as the directorial debut for Simon Brand"- ref says it was the music video debut of Shakira but no mentioning of it being Brand's directorial debut.

Done

Use Template:Cite AV media for the YouTube ref. It'd be better if you found a text or non-youtube one. But no worries if you don't!

Done

"Shakira at an upper class masquerade ball, an image often used to represent the personas people wear in society. She begins to sing after a door opens, and additionally displays the rules society has created for itself."- A YouTube ref won't work for such commentary. :(
"who succumb to their sexual desires and become pregnant"- So....they both became pregnant? Lol :P XD

Done

Don't you have specific release dates for the singles? --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 17:45, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have looked for them in the past, though reputable sources only confirmed the year, and it appears that Wikipedia was one of the only places to list (unsourced) full dates.

You don't need specific dates. Just a year and maybe a month is good enough. Erick (talk) 19:32, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Reception

Something is definitely wrong with ref number 39 (The certification ones)

Those Argentinian references always have issues, and since no replacement can be found, I'll have to remove it.

If a website is archived, then you don't have to remove it. See WP:LINKROT#Internet archives Erick (talk) 19:11, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I did look for an archive before completely removing it. As it turned out, the archive itself was also dead. WikiRedactor (talk) 12:17, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's weird. Because it's working perfectly fine for me. Maybe it was just down temporarily? Erick (talk) 12:58, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"In her native Colombia, the album was awarded the "Diamond Prism", acknowledging sales of one million units"- In-line Reference?

Done

" It was additionally certified platinum in Chile. In Ecuador, Pies Descalzos, sales of 15,000 copies earned the album a platinum certification"- in-line references of these two countries?

Done

Unfortunately, the Argentine CAPIF ref doesn't open due to internal site error. Do you have an archive?

Same as above, has to be removed.

"In Peru, Pies Descalzos attained platinum certification after surpassing 10,000 sold copies. It also was awarded platinum recognition in Venezuela."- In-line ref?

Done

Rest all is fine. --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 17:56, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Status

On Hold. --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 17:56, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

All major concerns (although almost all were minor!) addressed! Passed! Great work! We have another GA Shakira article, hopefully someone takes one of my 3 Shaki nominations and we have more ;) --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 13:05, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Shakira: Woman Full of Grace

There doesn't appear to be any info used here about the album from this book:

Diego, Ximena (2002). Shakira: Woman Full of Grace. Simon and Schuster. ISBN 0743216687.

I think there's a lot of info here from that book not being used in this wikipedia article. I have used it to help me improve the Magia, and the same should be done here, and maybe even to the subsequent song articles. 和DITOR E tails 23:11, 2 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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There was an article about the tour, where did it go?

Now when I search up tour pies descalzos it takes me here. Metric Supporter 89 (talk) 01:44, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Inflate sales in Brazil.

It's hard to believe that Shakira's "Pies Descalzos" album sold 1.5 million copies in Brazil. This number seems quite inflated, considering that the Brazilian market for international music has always been relatively limited. Additionally, the album was only certified platinum in Brazil, which means 250,000 copies sold. Other albums from the same era, like those from the Spice Girls and Backstreet Boys, which were much more successful here, received double platinum certifications, but their total sales don't even reach 1 million copies.

Additionally, the duo Sandy & Junior, the two most successful artists in Brazil, only reached the 1 million mark in 1998. The Brazilian market has always been very local, and these two artists were constantly on television, had a weekly show on the country's largest network, and performed concerts all over the country.

The 1 million sales reported by Billboard were probably provided by someone involved with the record label, so it's hard to know if these numbers are really accurate. In older editions, Billboard reported significantly lower numbers for this album. 500,000 copies seem to be a more realistic figure for "Pies Descalzos," as it is close to the official certification and appears to better reflect the market reality at the time. Markus WikiEditor (talk) 22:52, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]