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Hi @Bearcat: Apologies for undoing your work, but I think it is misguided. We want to communicate that this is not a history page, but a work of art about a history. The inclusion of a date communicates that, and differentiates it from other Wikipedia pages like Black women film pioneers that actually are describing a historical period (rather than art about that period).EditGirl99 (talk) 01:37, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That is not how Wikipedia titles work. Parenthetical disambiguation can be used only to prevent identically-named topics from colliding at the same title — it is not used to communicate "this is a different class of topic than some other thing with a different but thematically related title is".

In other words, the only grounds for placing parenthetical information in the title would be if this had to be disambiguated from other things whose proper name was also "Pioneers of African-American Cinema" — and even then, it couldn't be "(2015)", but would have to be "(film)" first, and then "(2015 film)" only if there were other films of the same title, with absolutely no option for just "(2015)" without any hint of 2015 what. We do not disambiguate things unnecessarily because their titles are in the same thematic vicinity as other topics that don't have the same name, such as "Black women film pioneers" — we disambiguate things only if there are multiple things with the exact same name, such as other articles whose exact title is also "Pioneers of African-American Cinema".

The rule is "always give topics the simplest title that they can be given without colliding with other topics located at their simplest possible titles". If there were multiple things with the exact title "Pioneers of African-American Cinema", then we would disambiguate them for extra clarity about which one was which — but if a page's base name is already unique and does not have to compete with other things of the exact same name, then we do not use unnecessary extra disambiguation just to communicate supplemental information about the topic beyond the base title. Bearcat (talk) 11:30, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the detailed and clear explanation. I appreciate how carefully written it was! I understand that the very big picture in terms of Wikipedia guidelines may look different than just a slice of that picture, and it's perfectly clear you are much better acquainted with the very big picture than I am, so I will leave the final title to you. EditGirl99 (talk) 22:31, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]