Talk:Plastic Love

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Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 21:19, 16 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Reviewed: exempt (?)

Created by Ganbaruby (talk). Self-nominated at 02:01, 20 February 2020 (UTC).[reply]

Article is new enough and long enough. Source #10 doesn't seem to support the first sentence cited to it. "notability through the platform's recommendations feature" aside from being ungrammatical isn't supported by #9 either. #8 does not appear to support "rise of the vaporwave" either. Most of #4 does not support the statements cited to it. I can't read the Japanese sources. No copyvio or plagiarism that I could notice. It's not clear in the hook if 2017 should be 2018. I see that you are QPQ exempt. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:24, 22 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Jo-Jo Eumerus: Thanks for the review. I did a bit of editing, and I just want to run some edits with you again. The citation numbers changed, so I'll try to refer to them by website name.
  • I've removed the first sentence to the Vice (#10) article because it doesn't really support it directly, as you said. I dug through some Japanese sites as well, and most pointed to the YouTube comment section as proof of "resonance with international viewers". I don't really feel like that's notable enough to include, so I've left it out for now.
  • The Open Culture article (#9) does point to YouTube's algorithms, but I've also added the Japan Times one (#3) because it also says so as well. I've also reworded the sentence for better flow.
  • Again, the Rolling Stone article (#8) does point to Plastic Love coinciding with vaporwave, but I've added a new source to support that.
  • I've removed the phrase about promoting the 30th anneversary of Variety, which I realized the Arama article (#4) doesn't actually say so. The rest of the information is there.
Let me know if there's any more that I should change. Thanks! ◢   Ganbaruby!   (talk to me) 07:50, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Ganbaruby: One last question: Are we sure it was a resurgence? The hook depends on it but I am not sure if the sources support this contention. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:07, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Jo-Jo Eumerus: Yes I would call it a "resurgence", since Takeuchi at the time was already a well known singer, and the album that Plastic Love comes from, Variety, did top Oricon's weekly album charts at its release. I would also be fine with "surge in popularity" instead. ◢   Ganbaruby!   (talk to me) 09:20, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
On a side note, do you think the picture in the article is a good addition, or not really? ◢   Ganbaruby!   (talk to me) 09:26, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I am a little wary of the copyright licence of that image. When one uploads fanart, it often happens that people crib images off the Internet w/o giving a source and with the image being non-free. The problem I see with "resurgence" is that it's not used in the sources; perhaps a quote could clarify this. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:30, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Taken from the Japan Times article: "'Variety' was a hit, outselling her previous release and debuting at the top of the domestic charts... Takeuchi’s success, however, has long been limited to her home country. That changed in 2017 when the internet discovered her 1984 track, “Plastic Love.” I think that adequately backs my word choice there. ◢   Ganbaruby!   (talk to me) 09:54, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:02, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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New Music Video[edit]

Apparently there's a new music video made for this song, 35 years after the song's original release.

https://www.scoutmag.ph/music/city-pop-plastic-love-roginl-20190517 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Soulrefrain (talk • contribs) 06:55, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Sweetest Music" cover art[edit]

I thought about inserting the "Sweetest Music" cover art for the "Resurgence" section especially to help readers identify what is discussed, even when identical to the 2021 reissue. --George Ho (talk) 06:29, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Ippantekina (talk · contribs) 07:29, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Happy to take up this review. In the meantime, I'd appreciate it if you could take up one of my Music GANs which might stall into the next few months... Cheers, Ippantekina (talk) 07:29, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lead and infobox[edit]

  • Suggest removing references from Infobox as their inclusion in prose is enough
    Done. Toa Nidhiki05 14:43, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "with "melancholic" lyrics" avoid quotations without attribution
    Corrected. Toa Nidhiki05 14:43, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • suggest adding "the" to "the Japanese singer" (WP:FALSETITLE)
    Done. Toa Nidhiki05 14:43, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Background and recording[edit]

  • "Takeuchi's sixth studio album Variety (1984)," comma after "studio album"
    Done. Toa Nidhiki05 14:50, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Any more context regarding Variety being a "comeback" record?
    The source doesn't provide additional context. I believe it was due to the gap of time between records - her first five albums were released from 1978 to 1981, Variety didn't come out until 1984. Toa Nidhiki05 14:50, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Suggest piping comeback
    Done. Toa Nidhiki05 14:50, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "she was pregnant at the time of she recorded Variety" → she was pregnant while recording the album
    Done. Toa Nidhiki05 14:50, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "because it was fun." period outside the quotation mark per WP:LQ
    Done. Toa Nidhiki05 14:50, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The quotation from the Japan Times should be paraphrased as it's pretty long for now.
    Paraphrased a bit - is this sufficient? Toa Nidhiki05 14:50, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Composition[edit]

  • "has been described as the "best-known example" of the genre" by whom?
    Attributed. Toa Nidhiki05 14:52, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • What makes this a reliable source?
    It's the digital/media publication of a major American university, the University of Texas at Austin. They have an editorial staff and set editorial standards - and generally speaking, most college papers I've used have been regarded as reliable sources. Toa Nidhiki05 14:17, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • I see that they do have editorial standards, but it seems the editors are college students. Not sure if they qualify as subject experts that could produce high quality sources. For this particular source, the editor's credentials are also questionable as compared to the one for the Vassar College source (a doctorate in a specialised field). Ippantekina (talk) 02:47, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Vice quote also needs to conform with MOS:LQ
    Done. Toa Nidhiki05 14:52, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reception[edit]

  • Suggest piping " increase of popularity of vinyl records" to vinyl revival
    Done. Toa Nidhiki05 14:53, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The single would spend 28 weeks" "spent"
    Done. Toa Nidhiki05 14:53, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "According to SoundScan Japan, "Plastic Love" ranked as was the best-selling analog single of 2021 in Japan" for simplicity
    Done. Toa Nidhiki05 14:53, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cultural impact[edit]

  • "In 2017 eight-minute version was uploaded by the YouTube account Plastic Lover" In 2017, an eight-minute version...
    Done. Toa Nidhiki05 14:54, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "and went viral acquired over 22 million views." and went viral, acquiring over...
    Fixed. Toa Nidhiki05 14:54, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

More to come.. Ippantekina (talk) 03:10, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cultural impact (cont'd)[edit]

  • Suggest introducing Thomas Calkins (i.e. who he is, what his specialisation is...)
    Done. Toa Nidhiki05 05:39, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The video doesn't feature" → did not, as the video has now been removed
  • Done. Toa Nidhiki05 05:39, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Suggest using en-dash (–) instead of hyphens (-)
    Should be replaced. Toa Nidhiki05 19:06, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Suggest using |script-title=ja instead of |title= for Japanese-language sources
    I would include this, but I don't have the knowledge of Japanese to 100% correctly translate the titles. Toa Nidhiki05 19:34, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "the song had become synonymous with future funk" is "future funk" a genre?
    It is, but it's a small one. Toa Nidhiki05 19:06, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Unless the cover versions received extensive critical commentary or charted, I suggest removing them per WP:SONGTRIVIA
    Per WP:SONGCOVER, the more applicable standard here, I've removed three of the covers that were only links to discos. All other covers left either charted, or were discussed or the subject of the article they were referenced in. Toa Nidhiki05
  • First-round prose review done. Ippantekina (talk) 02:47, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Toa Nidhiki05: my concern regarding the UoT Austin ref remains (above). Could you help address it? Ippantekina (talk) 04:15, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Also you could set script-title without having a translated title. I think it'd be more appropriate if Japanese-language texts are displayed correctly in their format and not the current Latin format. Ippantekina (talk) 04:16, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Should be done now. Toa Nidhiki05 15:57, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Great! Passing :) Ippantekina (talk) 02:18, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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