Talk:Plav, Montenegro

"Roman emperor Flavius"

There was no Roman Emperor by this name, although it was an family name for many emperors... --Jfruh (talk) 05:02, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

"Geographic position is incorrect"

The geographic position in the article is incorrect. Google Earth uses the information in the article to position a link back to Wikipedia. In Google Earth Plav shows up in the northern mountains of Albania, more than 42 km southwest of its original position.84.163.68.60 (talk) 17:26, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

"Claim" is not neutral

The verb "claim" indicates opposing views, and the reason given is that "we are giving only the serbian view". There is, however, no indication that Vasić's view is disputed. There is no reason to suggest doubt about his analysis unless there are sources that contradict him or cast doubt on his findings.

Also: Why not mention that he is a historian? If you want to, it could be added that he is Serbian, making the sentence "according to Serbian historian...". --T*U (talk) 23:06, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

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Dedushaj

Dedushaj was a secondary school teacher and Albanian nationalist activist in the 90s, not an academic or scholar. [1] His book does not contain any publisher's information, which is a dead giveaway that it is self-published. [2] I will WP:AGF that the users adding Dedushaj across multiple articles are unaware of his lack of credentials and/or Wikipedia's rules pertaining to reliable sources, but further additions will be considered disruptive. Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 20:11, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Dedushaj is a living person and calling him a "nationalist" falls under WP:BLP. We have discussed about Dedushaj in two separate AfDs about the Plav–Gusinje massacres (1912–1913): Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Plav-Gusinje_massacres (1912-13) and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Plav-Gusinje massacres (1912-13) (2nd nomination). My response then was that Rexhep Dedushaj, is a historian from Gusinje whose book is on its 4th edition offline. It is regularly used as bibliography by historians like Marenglen Verli, member of the Academy of Sciences of Albania in his work about Plav/Plava-Gusinje/Gucia (it has full bibliographical details - I used the same) Dedushaj is used as a source by RS publications of the highest level in regional studies. That he has worked as a school teacher doesn't make his work less reliable for what it discusses: the history of the region he comes from. Dedushaj in the way I first used it when I wrote Gusinje Municipality is not used for anything controversial. I can't vouch for the way it has been used in the 2 years since then but other editors' edits are independent of the source itself. In the two years since the two failed AfDs you filed, you could have file a discussion at RSN about Dedushaj or any other source but you didn't do so. We can have a discussion at RSN, but you can't remove a source about which you have no review which calls it unreliable. On the other hand, it has been used as a source for other academic publications. Side comment: When a source used by AB was removed because it has been called unreliable in academic reviews (Talk:July 18, 1998 Albanian–Yugoslav border clashes), they added it back and asserted towards the other editor who removed it that: there are no entries at WP:RSN for either of them, so your assertion that these sources aren't WP:RS is just that, an assertion made by you There has to be consistency in the way we edit. --Maleschreiber (talk) 05:21, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

I was the editor who removed the heavily criticized sources used by Amanuensis Balkanicus and he reverted them back. i did not revert him but used RSN. it is strange that he has not done the same thing in a case where he is the one who is disputing a source. Durraz0 (talk) 12:51, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

You're both creating a false equivalence. Those authors were published by reputable publishing houses. One is a journalist and the other is a scholar, whereas the one you are defending here is self-published and a secondary school teacher. WP:SELFPUBLISHED by itself is sufficient to circumvent WP:RSN. As for your BLP remarks, Maleschreiber, I find them amusing given that you and your friends have removed sources in the past under the pretext that the authors were "Serbian nationalists". What gives? Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 16:45, 22 February 2022 (UTC)