Talk:Pontiac G8

merge

This page should be merged with the Holden VE Commodore page 20:52 aest 29 december 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.183.173.149 (talk) 09:52, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

GM ceasing production

A buddy of mine swears that they're discontinuing the G8 due to GM phasing out vehicle lines with low profit margins. I can't seem to find anything definitive. Any one else meinsla ^talk 07:40, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

This has been widely reported in the past week, but it's all still rumors and rumors are encyclopedic. roguegeek (talk·cont) 09:40, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Pontiac: G8 and Solstice not being canceled. And that is that. roguegeek (talk·cont) 17:01, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

G8 is not listed in GM's 2010 order guide, so unless anyone has some other information, it's now official. Atarivideomusic (talk) 04:07, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

It's still listed here: http://www.gmfleet.com/pdf/GM_Fleet_and_Commercial_Car_and_Truck_Guide_-_2010.pdf - page 43. --Vossanova ^o< 14:37, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, should have provided my URL. It's not listed here: http://eogld.ecomm.gm.com/NASApp/domestic/vehiclesel.jsp?year=2010&regionID=1&divisionID=7 Atarivideomusic (talk) 08:56, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Also http://www.leftlanenews.com/pontiac-g8-production-to-cease-this-year-with-no-pontiac-models-to-survive-beyond-2010.html Atarivideomusic (talk) 08:57, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

And http://media.gm.com/us/gm/en/product_services/vehicles/2010/2010productinfoindex.html . Anyone believe that another G8 might be built? Atarivideomusic (talk) 05:27, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, first it won't be called a G8, and if any more are built it will be restyled and respecced because noone will want to sell a car associated with a dead brand (Pontiac is dead) and third the new GM has already got the Camaro which sort of fills the same niche. It doesn't fit Saturn's image, so Penske won't take it. This parrot is dead.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/business/story/0,28124,25606980-30538,00.html

Greglocock (talk) 05:43, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

More dead parrot- (John mellors go Auto News june 24) "GENERAL Motors chief executive Fritz Henderson indicated last week that the Holden Commodore-based Pontiac G8 would not be resurrected under another GM brand in the US. When asked in an online internet discussion with journalists whether the G8 had a future within General Motors as a rebadged model, and if changes would be needed for it to be sold under another brand, Mr Henderson said: “I am not a fan of rebadging.” " Greglocock (talk) 00:29, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

G8 GT 0-60 credibility

I own a G8 GT, and it does a 0-60 MPH in the low 5's, not 6.4s as shown on this page. Where is the source for this? I'v never seen anybody report anything in the mid 6's. Not to mention the 1/4 mile, I'v only seen less than 14s on the stock G8 GT.

I'll make a change next week if there is no opposition to this, it looks bad on Pontiacs last muscle car to have these false numbers here.

No, only add the revised number if it comes from a WP:RS, your car, with the most optimistic viewpoint for this assertion, might be non-representative. Greglocock (talk) 10:17, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

What I am saying is that the number shown is not credible. There is no current source. I am adding a source and correcting the stats. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.139.153.29 (talk) 15:33, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

That's great thanks for finding a source. Greglocock (talk) 04:00, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

G8 ST

"... it is GM's first coupe utility since the Chevrolet El Camino was discontinued in 1987." This is US-centric and incorrect: GM resurrected the coupe utility with the Holden Commodore VG ute in about 1989 and has been building this body style in Australia ever since. Grassynoel (talk) 08:27, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

I edited that sentence so that it clearly only applies to North America. As long as it's clear, I don't see a problem with the page being NA-centric, since it is only sold as the G8 in North America. 99.247.211.44 (talk) 00:05, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

pontiac g8 st winner

its real information that the winner got a pontiac torrent gxp. IT was in my car and driver. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.162.122.128 (talk • contribs)

Notability for this article needs to be established, and source noted. — fcsuper ^{(How's That?, That's How!)} _{(Exclusionistic Immediatist )} — 20:49, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

2009.5

Current models are dubbed 2009.5, not 2009. ...will find source — fcsuper ^{(How's That?, That's How!)} _{(Exclusionistic Immediatist )} — 23:44, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Production start

If a calendar year production date is going to be given there has to be a citation for it. All that's here now is the day the first prototype cars were built, which isn't regular production. There needs to be a date for when the plant began building cars for general sale. --Sable232 (talk) 01:43, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

There is no mention of 1st 888 G8's which had a special vin number. I own one of these, and the production date stamped on the plate is 11/07 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.130.170.103 (talk) 12:22, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Weight

Curb weight is ambiguous, not specified for individual trim levels 99.62.79.222 (talk) 05:44, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

help

what the defference in the G8 GT and the G8 GXP exterior wise? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.157.206.221 (talk) 21:55, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

The front fascia has its own fog light lamp sections on the GXP, its more aggressive looking. Different rims, Dual-Spoked rather than solids spokes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.251.106.126 (talk) 02:37, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Merger proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

To not merge on the grounds of independent notability despite agreements on the similarities. Klbrain (talk) 12:34, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

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I propose that Pontiac G8 be merged into Holden Commodore (VE). As the vehicles are the same. Flow 234 (Nina) talk 10:42, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

I propose that Pontiac G8 be maintained as separate from Holden Commodore (VE) as the G8 has a special place in American culture for enthusiasts of General Motors and the Pontiac brand itself, being a separate American automotive brand. G8Burnout (talk) 16:29, 7 September 2017

I agree with the first person that Pontiac G8 'should be merged into Holden Commodore (VE). The spiritual successor to the G8 the Chevrolet SS is combined with the Holden Commodore (VF) article do the merger would maintain consistency within the lineup's place on the Wiki. I take issue with the claim that "the G8 has a special place in American culture..." Don't get me wrong, I love the car, but it's no Mustang or Camaro in terms of cultural significance, with a production run of only two model years in the United States. Sethryan44 (talk) 22:26, 25 November 2017 (UTC) sethryan44 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sethryan44 (talk • contribs) 22:24, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

In response to the above comment, I'd say that, for something to be "culturally significant," it does not have to be compared to another culturally significant object. This is a subjectice viewpoint, by definition. No doubt the Mustang and Camaro are big in America, but the G8 has a cult following here that clearly shows significance to people of the American culture and, more importantly, to enthusiasts of the Pontiac brand itself. It may not be the Mustang, but there is no rule to what can or cannot be important to a culture based on a comparison test. I do, however, completely understand your point as a valid one. G8Burnout (talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.105.165.145 (talk) 19:21, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Keep. This page has enough unique information about the G8, and Holden Commodore (VE) is long and detailed enough as it is; the G8 info would be buried many pages down. --Vossanova ^o< 18:24, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Merge: The G8 is more or less a Commodore with a different front fascia with the steering wheel on the correct side. When you take out the information about the G8's trim levels there isn't any unique information here that isn't covered in the Commodore article. Reattacollector (talk) 22:46, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Keep the page, for God's sake. The G8 is important enough here in the States to avoid being buried way down in the Holden Commodore (VE) page. The 04-06 GTO is 100% Holden Monaro, but it get's it's own page regardless. Why does the Chevrolet Prism get it's own page? The Pontiac Vibe? The Cadillac Catera? The 2010-2017 Chevrolet Caprice? Why does any GM car from the Malaise Era of the 80's (with rampant badge engineering) get it's own page? They were all the same anyway. Why does the Dodge Magnum, which was only a wagon version of the Dodge Charger, get it's own page? Exact same platform, same chassis, could easily stick it under the 1st gen Charger LX entry. These cars all get their own page because they are all important enough to their home markets to warrant one. Just leave the G8 page alone, don't fix what isn't broken. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:BE90:9F90:90B4:724B:ABCF:90F2 (talk) 02:00, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

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References on this page need updating for 2021

Many references are old and no longer exist. I'm not a wikipedia expert, so no idea what templates the community uses on a page to flag it as such. cipher_nemo (talk) 16:31, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

For links that have gone dead, many of them can be fixed by finding them at archive.org and adding the new links via |archive-url= .  Stepho  talk  21:03, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Model code GMX557

A few months ago we had some differences about GMX557 being the platform code (which I was against). Recently it was added back in as the model code. It seems to be very rarely used by anybody except factory insiders - not even the fanboys use it. However, it is referenced in "The Complete Book of Pontiac GTO" https://books.google.com.au/books?id=zmeDDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA169&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false . My personal choice would be to leave it out due to rarity of use but I have no objection if others wish to leave it in.  Stepho  talk  01:57, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

I think that for obscure codes like this it's fine to have them mentioned in prose where relevant, but they shouldn't be in the infobox. It's one thing when they're in common usage (e.g. Mercedes W-numbers or even VW type codes) but when they're as obscure as this one is, having it in the infobox is undue weight for such esoteric information. --Sable232 (talk) 02:26, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

That's how I feel, which is what I did. The usual IP then put it in the infobox as well. Should I remove it or give others time to weigh in?  Mr.choppers | ✎  03:11, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

It would be nice to give the anon-ip a day or so to respond. I'm 50/50 for (after discussion) leaving/keeping it in the infobox.  Stepho  talk  03:23, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

At Template:Infobox automobile it states that "The name field states the brand and model name or brand and model series used in the original or primary market of the subject vehicle. The name appears at the top of the infobox outside the border. Generally, the data entered in this field will match the title of the article." To me that reads that the code does not belong in the infobox. And just because there may be other WP articles that include it, that is not a reason to do so here per WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. I am for removing it from the infobox and keeping it in the body of the article. Bahooka (talk) 05:11, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

I fully support including model codes for cars for which these codes are popularly used. If we say W124, S14, R32, for instance, people instantly know what is being referred to. GMX557, however, is a rather obscure disambiguator - I would be in favor of keeping it if there were two generations, as it stands I am negatively agnostic on whether to include it (if that makes sense).  Mr.choppers | ✎  12:40, 14 April 2023 (UTC)