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WikiProject class rating

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This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 04:31, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was No consensus to move page per discussion below. -GTBacchus(talk) 07:43, 22 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Sophie of SwedenPrincess Sophie of SwedenWP:NC(NT) specifies, for females, the current form of this article's name (Sophie of Sweden) for the following: empresses-regnant, queens-regnant, empresses-consort, queens-consort and princesses around or before the 17th century. Sophie was "only" a grand duchess and in practise, and cited as in accordance with WP:NC(NT), articles for consorts below the rank of queen are moved to the form Title Givenname of Place. —Charles 05:48, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

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Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
  • I truly wonder what people are thinking. The naming conventions say Name of Place for queens and empresses. It doesn't say it for grand duchesses. The existence of another article of similar naming is not reason to keep this article where it is. Charles 20:03, 9 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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  • Sophie of SwedenPrincess Sophie of SwedenWP:NC(NT) prescribes the current form of the article title for empresses- and queens-consort, for empresses- and queens-regnant and for mediaeval princesses where the title of "Princess" is anachronistic. Grand duchesses consort and lower ranks (duchess, princess, countess) use the premarital title in front of the name. —Charles 02:15, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Please discuss explicitly; I don't see this rule in WP:NC(NT). You may persuade me. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 02:52, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • One, when moving articles away from X of Y, it is cited as the form belonging to queens, empresses, kings and emperors. Two, the naming conventions explicitly state that what I said just before regarding use of the X of Y format (kings, emperors, queens and empresses). Three, grand duchesses do not fall under those conditions. Sophie falls under "Other Royals, 4" since the wording and application of all other articles under WP:NC(NT) thus far precludes the use of the X of Y format for anyone other than queens, empresses, kings and emperors. Charles 03:44, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • Your point would be made just by citing "other royals, 4"; but I don't see it as so obviously consensus that this goes without saying; among other complications, Baden was an independent state when she was married and when her husband succeeded. We may need to refine the guideline. Good luck with it; but let's have a discussion. (I'm not sure which way I'll !vote.) Septentrionalis PMAnderson 05:20, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

dynastical ambition

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Grand Duchess Sophia is known to have had desires for the restoration of her father's dynasty to the Swedish throne. It appears that Sophia, the last decade prior to her death, arranged as many as three of her children to marry spouses who were descended from another deprived heir to the Swedish throne, namely Charles Frederick, Duke of Holstein:

  • her son Frederick was put to marry Louise, who via the Weimars was duke Charles Frederick's cognatic descendant
  • her youngest daughter Cecilia was put to marry Michael Nikolaevich, an agnatic descendant of duke Charles Frederick, and the youngest son of Nicholas I, heir of that line.
  • her son Wilhelm was put to marry Maria Maximiliansdotter of Leuchtenberg, niece of the then queen-consort of Sweden Josephine of Leuchtenberg, and via her mother, descendant of duke Charles Frederick, being cognatic granddaughter of Nicholas I, heir-of-the-line. 82.181.239.182 (talk) 21:47, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress

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There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Prince Carl Philip, Duke of Värmland which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 18:16, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]