Talk:Principality of Fürstenberg

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Fürstenberg[edit]

Shouldn't the link to Fürstenberg (town) be Fürstenberg (castle) instead? It doesn't really constitute a separate town anymore, does it? --Jpbrenna 17:56, 11 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I suppose --Nomadic1

Google is telling me there is also a wine called Schloss Furstenberg. Is this made by the von Fürstenbergs? --Jpbrenna 04:53, 12 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know. Click the links to find out :D --Nomadic1

None of them say. The beer is definitely theirs though. --Jpbrenna 08:22, 12 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved to Fürstenberg (principality). Alpha Quadrant ^talk 16:28, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Fürstenberg (state) → Fürstenberg (county) — ~~More specific.--TopoChecker (talk) 20:20, 19 January 2011 (UTC)~~ comment by banned editor[reply]

Oppose. Describing a Grafschaft as a county is at best misleading; it implies that the article describes an administrative division of a state, not a member state of the Imperial Diet. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 22:41, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Did you read the article? It clearly says: The County of Fürstenberg was a county of the Holy Roman Empire in Swabia, present-day southern Baden-Württemberg, Germany. Same for infobox, county is the proper term. How come you think "county" is only referring to "administrative divisions of a state"?TopoChecker (talk) 15:34, 22 January 2011 (UTC) comment by banned editor[reply]

Comment Fürstenberg (county-state) ? as with city-states... 65.93.13.210 (talk) 06:23, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Instead of thinking up contrived alternatives, why not leave it at the current, perfectly fine title? Ucucha 03:21, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - ~~Perfectly fine? WP:PRECISION. TopoChecker (talk) 15:35, 22 January 2011 (UTC)~~ comment by banned editor[reply]
Oppose Translating Grafschaft as County in this case is misleading. Countdom or Duchy would probably be nearer. May be better to leave it just as it is at present. However, why not move Fürstenberg (state) to Fürstenberg, and move the disambiguation page (where every other entity listed has a different name) to Fürstenberg (disambiguation)? Skinsmoke (talk) 13:17, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Did you read the article? It clearly says: The County of Fürstenberg was a county of the Holy Roman Empire in Swabia, present-day southern Baden-Württemberg, Germany. Same for infobox, county is the proper term. Duchy would mean Herzogtum not Grafschaft. TopoChecker (talk) 15:34, 22 January 2011 (UTC) comment by banned editor[reply]
I don't think this medieval polity is the primary topic; "Fürstenberg" is probably more likely to refer to one of the later states or the brewery. Ucucha 16:14, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment -- The article has its present name to distinguish it from Fürstenberg Castle, which was its capital, to which Fürstenberg redirects. On the other hand, "county" is a term used for the area ruled by a count. American usage of "county" no doubt derives from English usage, where the notional ruler is called an earl and except in counties palatinate, it has merely been a title sicne soon afte rthe Norman Conquest. "Count" is an anglicisation of the French title, and is used as a common translation of the German title "graf". Peterkingiron (talk) 21:59, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

~~As of now Fürstenberg Castle does not exist as an article, and Fürstenberg is not a redirect to that non existing article. TopoChecker (talk) 16:53, 23 January 2011 (UTC)~~ comment by banned editor[reply]
- I think they meant Fürstenberg (castle), which does exist. Orderinchaos 07:32, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Fürstenberg (principality) See my edits: [1]. I think "Fürstenberg" should remain the dab, considering the numerous things that share both the name and the origin with overlapping meaning. A principality is a correct description of Furstenberg. From Princes of the Holy Roman Empire: Later elevated noble families like the Fürstenberg, Liechtenstein or Thurn und Taxis dynasties subsequently began to refer to their territory as a "principality" and assumed the awarded rank of a Prince (Fürst) as a hereditary title. ^walk victor falk^talk 02:44, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Fürstenberg (principality) per Victor above - makes the most sense here - we have to be careful re WP:OR, and that one can at least be verified. Orderinchaos 07:32, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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