Talk:Pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses in the United States

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Existing page[edit]

@Crampcomes: April 2024 Israel–Hamas war protests on United States university campuses exists, and Israel–Hamas war protests on United States university campuses is a viable redirect. I suggest figuring out what to do with this article given that. Protests did not begin in 2024, so expanding the latter is an option. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 01:14, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Crampcomes: The current title is not sufficient to resolve this issue, because the scope is broader than the Israel–Hamas war. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 01:19, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, there was no need for you to just create this April 2024 Israel–Hamas war protests on United States university campuses right now. You could just expand on this Pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses in the United States article Crampcomes (talk) 01:25, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually it's fine, we can link to that article from here also. Crampcomes (talk) 01:29, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge proposal[edit]

Both should be merged since they're the same thing, just that the April 2024 is more specific timewise and the pro-Palestinian one is more specific in which side the protests take. LilianaUwU (talk / contributions) 00:21, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
The result of this discussion was closed early due to lack of consensus for a merge. Initial agreement led to calls to wait followed by opposition to a merge. Since this proposal April 2024 Israel–Hamas war protests on university campuses in the United States has grown significantly and further concerns over this article's integrity have been raised. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 12:18, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree Crampcomes (talk) 01:06, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree This article is effectively the background to April 2024, or otherwise the April 2024 article is a continuation of this article. Merging the articles would provide a complete picture. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 10:54, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait - The April thing in particular is specifically about solidarity encampments responding to the events at Columbia. It's its own event.
On Columbia college radio WKCR, they're talking about solidarity protests in Paris today, which is not in the United States. Furthermore, the way this page is titled, it could refer to any pro-palestinian protest at any time, not just since October 7. I say wait and see and let it develop some more. There is value in keeping distinct events on separate pages and keeping track of them through templates and things. Kire1975 (talk) 20:17, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If anything, April 2024 Israel–Hamas war protests on United States university campuses should eventually be merged with 2024 Columbia University pro-Palestinian campus occupation. Kire1975 (talk) 20:24, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree - This article is close to a few paragraphs, the previous is more in-depth. On a side note, we should open discussion into a shorter name overall like "Protests on Universities During Israel-Hamas War" User:Sawerchessread (talk) 21:06, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait - My own university just had a massive protest to the war as well. We should wait and see if more of these occur. I can still hear the sirens outside as my campus alarm orders the protestors to disperse.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianbushard/2024/04/24/texas-troopers-arrest-university-of-texas-students-during-protest/?sh=4ba89b006fd6

Agree hurts readers to have two competing articles. Rjensen (talk) 03:51, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait — I do not believe this article should exist, but April 2024 Israel–Hamas war protests on United States university campuses was deliberately written to cover the protests following the Columbia University occupation. The protests that have occurred in the past few days are independently notable. That does not mean that I would be opposed to Israel–Hamas war protests on United States university campuses. The proposal does not state which article should be merged where. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 13:58, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To clarify, the banner I added to main page: "It has been suggested that April 2024 Israel–Hamas war protests on United States university campuses be merged into this article", but probably should have clarified this above. Given the title change to April 2024 Israel–Hamas war protests on university campuses, I think waiting some time to see how the situation develops isn't a bad idea either, nor is gaining consensus in the meantime. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 15:22, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait. I would agree with this given no major further developments, but the situation is actively changing too much. This deserves to be its own article, at least for the meantime. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 15:31, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
no Disagree — Reliable sources have been regarding the protests since April 18th as a significant escalation in student protests, in particular due to the hundreds of students being arrested by police and campuses, a rate which previously had no precedent for these protests (Ex 1 , Ex 2 , Ex 3). The escalation in the past few days have been notable enough to elicit a direct response to Netanyahu just a few days after the start of the arrests, which, as far as I'm aware, he has not done before for previous student protests. The protests might not be new, but the sheer and sudden change in scale, alongside the immediate and significant police crackdown as a response to this change, should be considered sufficiently distinct from previous protests to warrant its own article. Baldemoto (talk) 18:06, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What about protests on campuses outside the US? (See TP of the other article). There should probably be 2 pages: one for US campuses (considered a detailed article), one in general. That might imply renaming and trimming. Best, -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:32, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Moreover, a lot of campus protests/demonstrations were occurring before the Columbia one took off. Starklinson (talk) 01:39, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The recent protests deserve a standalone article since it fulfills Wikipedia's WP:Notability guideline. Makeandtoss (talk) 10:39, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Fork issue?[edit]

I just realised most of this article appears to be a copy and paste from the main article Israel–Hamas war protests in the United States, notably the sections Universities, as well as Doxxing and Investigations. I've removed my support for a merge. The user who created this page has since been topic banned for 6 months for misrepresenting sources which raises further concerns. I'm starting to think this page shouldn't exist at all and any relevant content moved back to the main article (if there is any) or simply removed all together (as would presumably require verification checking). Pinging @ScottishFinnishRadish who was involved in arbitration for opinion. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 12:09, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have no opinion on if this article should exist, and haven't looked at with any real focus. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:11, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I support the deletion of this page. CommunityNotesContributor, I suggest you open up an AfD. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 14:19, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In principle, this probably could be a viable topic, but unless someone is going to find good sources, it's difficult to see what the scope of the article is in practice that is not already covered by the three articles:
The only content not covered by these seems to be the Sep 2021 resolution by a teachers' union for San Diego community colleges. The existence of this page makes it confusing to work out which article is the most relevant to read or edit. Seems like an AfD should be straightforward as long as the justification makes it clear that these other three articles exist (otherwise people will worry that the AfD is a censorship attempt). An AfD would not prevent a new article, e.g. on the past 50 years of pro-Palestinian protests on US university campuses, being created based on solid WP:RS. Boud (talk) 01:43, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Unless there is any opposition soon, per WP:ATD-R, this page would be better undergoing WP:BLANKANDREDIRECT to April 2024 Israel–Hamas war protests on United States university campuses as an alternative solution. If this disputed and reverted, then it can go to AfD, but otherwise this isn't necessary per WP:ATD. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 13:31, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:ATD-R seems fine to me. Boud (talk) 12:20, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

to be added[edit]

St. Louis

U of Chicago

Kire1975 (talk) 21:04, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

UCLA

Stanford

Lexrama (talk) 14:49, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Baldemoto (talk) 18:29, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit Request - UT Austin Protests[edit]

I have two separate requests: 1. That a new section titled "Protests" be created, so that material detailing events of the protests themselves can be couched within it. 2. The following material and sources, or some similar variation of it, be incorporated into the article:

On April 24th 2024 non-violent protests were planned on the University of Texas at Austin campus by the Palestine Solidarity Committee, a registered student organization at the university. The protests drew a large crowd, which was later dispersed by Austin Police Department officers and Texas Department of Public Safety troopers, who were there as the request of the university and Governor Greg Abbott, who claimed the protests were anti-Semitic and unauthorized.[1] 57 individuals were arrested for criminal trespassing, all of whom were later released without charge by mid-day April 26th.[2] The law enforcement presence and subsequent arrests at the protests have since drawn criticism from both students and professors at the university.[3][4]

Durchbruchmüller (talk) 00:57, 28 April 2024 (UTC) Durchbruchmüller (talk) 00:57, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Durchbruchmüller: You could use {{s}} to strike out your edit request here, since your edit creating this request was followed by you seven minutes later creating what looks like a proposal to add/change to identical text at the article more appropriate to your proposed text. Generally we want complementary information in different articles, apart from summaries and cross-references. Boud (talk) 18:24, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The information seemed relevant to both articles as they covered overlapping issues. How do you archive specific talk page sections? I would if I knew how, and give permission to anyone reading this to do so. Durchbruchmüller 20:50, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: Requesting editor was blocked for sockpuppetry. — Newslinger talk 22:50, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Rachel Treisman, Ayana Archie (25 April 2024). "Mass arrests roil college campuses amid pro-Palestinian protests". NPR. Retrieved 28 April 2024.
  2. ^ Seipp, Skye (26 April 2024). "Charges dropped against all 57 arrested in connection to UT-Austin pro-Palestinian protest". Austin American-Statesman. Retrieved 28 April 2024.
  3. ^ Simpson, Stephen (26 April 2024). "Campuses across Texas had pro-Palestinian demonstrations. Why did only UT-Austin crack down?". The Texas Tribune. Retrieved 28 April 2024.
  4. ^ Lily Kepner, Skye Seipp, Ella McCarthy, Serena Lin (24 April 2024). "UT-Austin students hold pro-Palestinian protest; at least 50 arrested". Austin American-Statesman. Retrieved 28 April 2024.{{cite news}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)

Correction needed[edit]

@BilledMammal: What did you mean by this edit? Look at: "On October 24, 2023 Ray Rodrigues, the ChancellOn 26 April, or of the State University System of Florida..." make sense? --Mhhossein talk 07:57, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is what happens when you try to edit from a phone; I’ve fixed it now. BilledMammal (talk) 08:01, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes it can always happen. Anyway, it's good now. --Mhhossein talk 09:40, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by Launchballer talk 06:11, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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