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Are only 'residential' groups intended? If so, it needs to be stated, and then 'honor societies' (like the two I just added) should be deleted. 129.237.114.171 16:47, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I'd suggest using the membership of the PFA (Professional Fraternity Association) as a guide. (www.profraternity.org), but given that Alpha Phi Omega is now a member, that may not be as much help as before. I think the primary difference between Honoraries and Professionals is that Honoraries have objective joining criteria and Professionals may include subjective, but I'm not sure. Naraht 18:33, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Tax code of fraternities and sororities

Title IX provides exemptions for groups at institutions:

"...a social fraternity or social sorority which is exempt from taxation under section 501(a) of title 26"

What definition does Title IX use for defining "social"? Is it any group that is a 501(c)(#) organization (e.g., 501(c)(3) or 501(c)(7))?

What tax status does a professional fraternity have? IlliniFlag (talk) 21:28, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Alpha Phi Omega which is a service fraternity which is a member of the Professional Fraternity Association has been a 501(c)(7) since it was founded, however as I understand it, that was a result of our extremely strong ties to the Boy Scouts at the time. I'm pretty sure that Boy Scouts of America and Girl Scouts of the United States of America are 501(c)(7).Naraht (talk) 15:20, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the information, Naraht. I believe that social fraternities and sororities also have a 501(c)(7) designation. I'm trying to understand how, in the eyes of the government, a professional fraternity is different than a social fraternity. I am looking at the requirements for exemption from the government for statuses other than 501(c)(3) here [1] and do not see any category that would fit a professional fraternity. I wonder if all professional/service/honorary fraternities are classified as 501(c)(7) organizations and if so, does that make them social fraternities at heart? If not, what distinguished a social fraternity from a professional or service fraternity on a legal level? IlliniFlag (talk) 18:44, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm trying to work through the IRS documentation on this and it is getting pretty heavy. http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/eotopicq99.pdf is one that seemed moderately useful. The entire area under http://www.irs.gov/charities/content/0,,id=96931,00.html might be as well... Naraht (talk) 17:15, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
Welcome to my world, friend. Your links are good, and get us in the right direction. Check out this site. http://www.irs.gov/publications/p557/ch04.html IlliniFlag (talk) 23:26, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
Another interesting read is from 1958 re: defining the criteria for 501(c)(7) status. You can find that here: http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/rr58-589.pdf
The only wording that confuses me is "other nonprofitable purposes". I cannot seem to find a definition of that term. The ruling does say that to fulfill the requirement of being "organized and operated for pleasure, recreation, and other nonprofitable purposes", an organization must have a membership of individuals, personal contracts, and fellowship.
What else is interesting to note is that Kappa Psi, the "oldest and largest professional fraternity in the world" is a 501(c)(7) organization http://www.kappapsi.org/national/preston/content?p=about . Now, Kappa Psi is co-ed, but how does that figure in to being "professional"? As a 501(c)(7) organization, you will be automatically rejected if your constitution or bylaws discriminate on the basis of race, color, or religion http://www.irs.gov/charities/nonprofits/article/0,,id=96189,00.html . Read another way, you might still be 501(c)(7) exempt if you discriminate on the basis of sex. So, is there another law at play here in between Title IX and the tax code? IlliniFlag (talk) 00:47, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
501(c)7 seems to be the standard. I'm a Theta Tau ("oldest and largest prof engineering fraternity") and nationally we are a 501(c)7 ( http://www.melissadata.com/lookups/np.asp?zip=43-0765719 ). The same is true for individual chapters and all the individual housing corporations as far as I am aware. Nationally we are co-ed but the decision is left up to each chapter (NCSU's is all male). I am the current President of the NCSU Chapter's Housing Corporation and we got our exemption status as (c)7 as recently as 2002. --ShadowRAM (talk) 21:00, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Delta Omicron Omega

I removed an entry for Delta Omicron Omega under the Performing Arts section.

The Illinois state registry for corporations shows it "dissolved" and "Involuntary Dissolution on Friday, 9 September 2016" (File Number 69576265). Search at: https://www.ilsos.gov/corporatellc/

Otherwise, all I could find of it online was a blank facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Delta-Omicron-Omega-Performing-Arts-Fraternity-inc/750332338338587

There is a Delta Omicron Omega chapter of Alpha Kappa Alpha sorority: http://akadeltaomicronomega.org/ Located in Orlando, FL. Tangurena (talk) 00:06, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Remaining Red

I think that for all redlinks, we should have at least one reference, even if to the group webpage. Naraht (talk) 15:15, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

The ones without right now are

  • Hygeia Medical Sorority
  • Omega Delta
  • Sigma Phi Chi

Naraht (talk) 15:32, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

The last two are national, I think we *may* be able to create articles for them.Naraht (talk) 15:51, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for catching the ones I missed yesterday. I attempted to find sources for all of them. I think Phi Boota roota has enough sources for an article as well. Epsilon Eta was on your Wp page list of drafts--I worked on it today and believe it is ready for prime time. Rublamb (talk) 03:18, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
I've primetimed it. :)Naraht (talk) 15:46, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
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