Talk:Progressive Liberal Party (Costa Rica)

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Political position of PLP[edit]

@Maho713: @BastianMAT: @HapHaxion: @Aréat: @Jakob990: @Fm3dici97: @AnOpenBook: @Number 57: There is (was?) a stalled and lengthy discussion at Spanish Wikipedia about the political position of this party, summarizing; a single source from Agence France-Presse about Tik-Tok usage during the recent 2022 electoral campaign that depicts the PLP party in passing mention as far-right, is being used as the ultimate, definitive and fool-proof reference to support that claim, leaning heavily on AFP reputation, and any other reference to the party as being in center-right or right is being called off as irrelevant due to the existence of the AFP piece by the user that introduced the change. This user is also an administrator and has blocked the article intermittently and as of today, until 20 June 2022, with only administrators allowed (each time the block ends, the first change is to remove the 'far-right' position, so it gets blocked again as WP:EW). Now, to everybody else in the discussion -myself included-, this party isn't as far in the right as to include elements of nationalism, xenophobia, antisemitism, homophobia and many other characteristics associated with far-right parties, but the qualifier stands, even when the party itself is very progressive for conservative Costa Rica standards, as stated in the article. I'm bringing this discussion over here after another worried user contacted me on what else can be done about the situation and because the position has also been replicated to Wikidata and French Wikipedia, and due to the block situation over at Spanish Wikipedia, it isn't possible to advance and recent comments have been ignored by the administrator while other accounts were deemed as WP:SPA (granted, many are very new), and the attempt for consensus (it settled on 'center-right to right') is disregarded while a checkuser investigation develops (also stalled since February 2022). So, being a cross-wiki situation, and the very weird situation on which this discussion is developing, and looking for an "outside-the-box/country-borders" opinion (maybe we are wrong in our bubble and the party is actually far-right…‽), does anybody here have any input about the political position of this party? Should it also be set as far-right here in English and in Russian Wikipedia? (Thanks for reading! I took your usernames from participation at 2022 Costa Rican general election and related articles) --Roqz (talk) 00:17, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • English Wikipedia is independent of any other Wikipedia, things can be done differently. Seems like an issue on that page and not here. If English sources describe it as centre-right, it should be done as centre-right. BastianMAT (talk) 09:21, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • @BastianMAT: I completely agree with the independence of the projects, but just in case the position would be replicated here, I'd rather have a discussion beforehand, and I well know that any result discussed here will be likely dismissed if brought back to Spanish Wikipedia on the same grounds. I added a section about sources (sadly in Spanish) below. --Roqz (talk) 14:24, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'll agree with BastianMAT. Additionally, only one source from an outlet considered at least somewhat reliable existing describing "far-right" (and in that case it appears to refer to the candidate, not the party as a whole) is in no way comprehensive and should not be used to forcibly suppress any other sources, regardless of its reputation (to do so makes a question arise of if the editor pushing the one source so vigorously has a conflict of interest or point of view they're trying to push against NPOV). I also agree with you (Roqz) that the party's positions don't seem to line up with parties usually associated with the far-right. My assumption for the far-right designation given the above is that the party or candidate is heavily libertarian (which seems to be backed up here), although even in that case I wouldn't support the "far-right" label as other libertarian parties are either not labeled in position at all or are labeled centre-right (or at most right-wing). HapHaxion (talk / contribs) 13:36, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • @HapHaxion: Thanks for your input and the English language source, yes, the situation over there is quite worrying and as I noted there, I also see a clear conflict of interest by using that source in the form of cherry picking and what looks to me as confirmation bias, but hopefully we will have a better shot for a consensus here just in case. For the sake of transparency and neutrality, I'm bringing the provided sources in the Spanish discussion page on the next section. I forgot to note that the far-right source was also reprinted in many other Spanish language countries' media, and in Costa Rica; where the far-right qualifier was edited out, and some basic errors were found, such as misspelling of candidates' names, weakening even more the claims of reliability. And well, in the end the topic is Tik-Tok, is not even a report on political positions. --Roqz (talk) 14:24, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sources in Spanish about the position[edit]

These are the sources provided in the Spanish talk page, with a short English translation by myself in parentheses and the corresponding quote in Spanish, I wasn't able to find references in English.

Centre-right[edit]

  • (El Tiempo, Colombia: "and Feinzaig from the centre-right PLP") Las encuestas ubicaron de tercero al pastor evangélico Fabricio Alvarado, del opositor Partido Nueva República (PNR). En las posicione siguientes están los opositores José María Villalta, del izquierdista Frente Amplio (FA), Rodrigo Chaves, del centrista Partido Progreso Social Democrático (PPSD), y Eliécer Feinzaig, del centro-derechista Partido Liberal Progresista (PLP). [1]
    • (El Universal, Mexico, but edited reprint of above by El Tiempo) De acuerdo con las encuestas, Figueres y Saborío son seguidos, en su orden, por los candidatos de partidos opositores: Fabricio Alvarado, del derechista Partido Nueva República (PNR); José María Villalta, del izquierdista Frente Amplio (FA); Rodrigo Chaves, del centrista Partido Progreso Social Democrático (PPSD), y Eliécer Feinzaig, del centro-derechista Partido Liberal Progresista (PLP). [2]
  • (La Nación, Costa Rica: "located in the centre-right of politics against the extremes of the FA and PAC parties on the left and PNR on the right") Esto los ubicaría en el centro-derecha del espectro político para las elecciones del 2022, como alternativa a lo que puedan proponer los extremos, la izquierda, según él representada por Acción Ciudadana (PAC) y el Frente Amplio, y la derecha, con aspirantes como Fabricio Alvarado, entre otros. [3]

Liberal right[edit]

  • (La Diaria, Uruguay: "PLP party, liberal right") Rodrigo Chaves (Partido Progreso Social Democrático, centro conservador), economista de 60 años y exjerarca del Banco Mundial; Eli Feinzaig (Partido Liberal Progresista, derecha liberal), economista de 56 años y exviceministro. [4]

Far right[edit]

  • (France24, newswire by AFP: "with a far-right and radical change discourse") Con un discurso de extrema derecha y cambio radical, Eli Feinzaig, de 56 años, del Partido Liberal Progresista (PLP), que cosecha apenas el 2,5% de las intenciones, también aspira llegar al poder en Costa Rica promocionándose en TikTok. [5]
    • Reprinted by many other news sources: [1] [2] [3]
    • When it was reprinted by the local news group La Nación, in their newspapers La Nación [4] and La Teja [5], the qualifier of far-right was edited out, as well as other errors corrected such as the names of Fabrizio Alvarado and Lisbeth Saborío.
As far-right, qualified by rivals[edit]
  • (Hablando Claro, Costa Rica, talk show: "even qualified as far-right by the media and rivals") Desde los medios de comunicación y otros frentes se le ha calificado incluso de “extrema derecha” algo que el novel contendor rechaza por completo. Se siente a gusto definiéndose como un liberal. [6]
  • (La Nación, Costa Rica, remarks by rival and now president-elect Chaves: "a far-right party bought by the corporations"): mucho menos a un grupo de extrema derecha comprado por los intereses empresariales como el Liberal Progresista. [7]

References

  1. ^ "Elecciones en Costa Rica: el país se juega mantener su estabilidad social". El Tiempo (in Spanish). 6 February 2022. Retrieved 7 April 2022.
  2. ^ Meléndez, José (6 February 2022). "Amplia baraja e indecisos, claves en elecciones de Costa Rica". El Universal (in Spanish). Retrieved 7 April 2022.
  3. ^ Ruiz R., Gerardo (4 Nov 2018). "Eli Feinzaig, líder del Partido Liberal Progresista: 'El Gobierno, tengo que decirlo, a mí me ha sorprendido positivamente'". La Nación (in Spanish). Retrieved 7 April 2022.
  4. ^ Francia, Fernando (5 February 2022). "Desafíos y silencios de la oferta política en Costa Rica". La Diaria (in Spanish). Retrieved 7 April 2022.
  5. ^ "Candidatos presidenciales de Costa Rica se mueven al ritmo de TikTok para convencer indecisos". France24 (in Spanish). AFP. 28 January 2022. Retrieved 7 April 2022.
  6. ^ "365News Inicio Programas Opinión Estudios Actividades ¿Quiénes somos? El Poder del Cemento 31 enero: Entrevista con Eli Feinzaig, candidato presidencial por el partido Liberal Progresista". Hablando Claro (in Spanish). 31 January 2022. Retrieved 7 April 2022.
  7. ^ "Rodrigo Chaves le guiña el ojo a Fabricio: 'Le tengo respeto pero no tiene el equipo'". La Nación (in Spanish). 6 February 2022. Retrieved 7 April 2022.
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