Talk:Pueblo speech

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Review: May 29, 2021. (Reviewed version).

A fact from Pueblo speech appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 26 March 2021 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Woodrow Wilson's 1919 Pueblo speech was the last time he gave a public oration?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2021/March. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Pueblo speech.

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Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by TJMSmith (talk) 15:22, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Woodrow Wilson's 1919 Pueblo speech was the last time he gave a public oration?
- ALT1:... that Woodrow Wilson "could hardly see" and had a bad headache as he delivered the 6,000 word Pueblo speech, and collapsed shortly after?

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/1991 Football League Fourth Division play-off Final

5x expanded by Eddie891 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:50, 3 March 2021 (UTC).[reply]

Article adequately expanded, well written, no copyvios, AGF for the source. Interesting hook, I had to check exactly when Wilson died as I didn't think it was right after WWI, so this puts some more context into it. Only quibble is the QPQ doesn't appear to exist. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 11:56, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Ritchie333, I've since reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/1991 Football League Fourth Division play-off Final. Wilson has a stroke in 1919 shortly after he gives this speech, but is alive (though active is a bit of a stretch) until 1924, when he dies. I'll add a sentence to that effect to the article. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 17:02, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, then we're sorted. Only other quibble is could you copyedit the main hook so the word "speech" doesn't appear twice? Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 17:11, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Pueblo speech/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Tkbrett (talk · contribs) 01:25, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I will be giving this article a go. Tkbrett (✉) 01:25, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Lead[edit]

Good.

Background[edit]

"In a "crusade" that has been described as...": fix passive voicing here. Should be "In a "crusade" that historian Leroy G. Dorsey describes as..." or the name of whoever is doing the describing.
First mention of Pueblo should specify Pueblo, Colorado. Also, should be linked.
Every sentence in the opening paragraph uses the word "Pueblo", which is distracting. It can be cut from the second and fourth sentence: A contemporary newspaper described the crowd as "a great many"... and When Wilson arrived, he visited...

Speech[edit]

"in memory of soldiers who died during World War I.": Does the source specify which ones? Presumably it was just American soldiers.
- Unfortunately, source doesn't specify at all.
More passive voicing at Wilson was introduced by Alva Adams, a former Governor of Colorado. -> Former Colorado Governor Alva Adams introduced Wilson.
Theodore Roosevelt needs an introduction (e.g. former US President)

Legacy and analysis[edit]

"feels that it both": both refers to two things, but you list three.
Passive voicing: A fragment of the speech was included in the play "Mr. Wilson's Peace of Mind" by Mark Stein. -> Mark Stein's play "Mr. Wilson's Peace of Mind" includes a fragment of the speech.

References[edit]

The GA criteria doesn't require you to have the same referencing format across the entire page, but WP:GANOT does mention that you should provide a page number when directly quoting something. Reference 4 (Dorsey 1999) only provides the page range 107–135 of the journal article. If you move it into the Bibliography then you will be able to provide a specific page number for this citation.

General comments and verdict[edit]

copyvio score is 42.9% against a transcript of the speech. The next highest is 23.7%, indicating a violation is unlikely.
Image is PD.
Eddie891: On hold until the above issues are fixed. I really enjoy these types of articles – ones that are both focused and exhaustive on a very specific event. A nice little page. Tkbrett (✉) 18:11, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Tkbrett what do you think now? I've just gone directly with your suggestions, except in the one place I responded to you. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 00:50, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
✓ Pass: Eddie891, it all looks and reads great. As that one source doesn't specify it's best to leave it as is. Great work! Tkbrett (✉) 01:28, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Who is Whitman?[edit]

Article currently states "Whitman later said that it "would have been better" if he had died immediately after giving the Pueblo speech.[24]" However, there is no other reference to "Whitman" on the page to explain who this might be. I realize there is a ref to a book, but I'm too lazy to check that out as it requires registration. I realize this may be a non-notable Whitman, but the total lack of context for the quote is a bit jarring, esp. in a Good Article. CAVincent (talk) 05:03, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]