Talk:Pure Japanese

Tweaks

Lead

Hello@Murasakihitsuji: In order to help the article pass GA. Maybe:

1. LS: "while Asian Movie Pulse mentioned its "quite a lot of positive points."" I would remove that bit from the LS, AMP does not in my view have the level of authority of the Japan Times. It can stay in the Reception section only and I don't think that it is even necessary in the Lead. Done
2. Does "The Film" have to be included in the template box for the soundtrack? Just asking. Done

I might have another look later. Best-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:11, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Nice to meet you. Thank you very much for your advice.

Your first suggestion: I have immediately removed the relevant section from the lead section.

Your second suggestion: The Japanese title of the soundtrack is "映画 'Pure Japanese' Original Soundtrack." Since "映画" means "film" in English, "The Film" was added as it is. Do you think it could be removed? Murasakihitsuji (talk) 16:48, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Nice to meet you too. Is the title of the soundtrack in Japanese both in Kanjis/Katakanas and Romajis? Or it is more like smth that could be translated as Pure Japanese: film original soundtrack? In which case (a quick look online makes me think it's translated like that in English), I would only leave Pure Japanese: Original Soundtrack. Yours, -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 17:48, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Lead again:

1. "This is also Fujioka's first created and produced film." What does "created" mean here? Is it me or is the phrasing a little awkward? Not done (I still think the phrasing is awkward but maybe that's just me}}

I would add the Jp. title just after the English one, too. (You can use the Template:Nihongo). I know the JT article is quoted in the body of the article but I'd say you need a footnote for the quote (I, personally would stop the quote at "misunderstood" (as it was, unless I am mistaken) and cut the rest (because I don't think the ending of the sentence is totally clear), but that's just me). (done it myself, hope you don't mind)

Best, -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 18:23, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

"Or it is more like smth that could be translated as Pure Japanese: film original soundtrack?" Yes, that is correct. So I removed "The Film" as you advised. And "Pure Japanese" is the official Japanese title in English, not in Katakana and Romaji.

Your next suggestion: "created" means that Fujioka planned this film. The names of the staff appear in the end roll of the film, and there they are listed as "Created and Produced by Dean Fujioka," so I respected that intent. Murasakihitsuji (talk) 04:46, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Plot

Hello, what does "of secretly engaging in unscientific training at a shrine" mean? Can someone clarify?@Murasakihitsuji:-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 19:00, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello. Thank you very much for your question. The part you pointed out was translated based on the plot on the official website and other information.

"secretly": This word is a translation of the Japanese word "Hito-shirezu" which means "without anyone knowing about it."

"unscientific training": This story takes place in present-day Japan. Because of his past, Tateishi is obsessed with the fact that he is Japanese, and values the spirituality that the Japanese had in the past. Although it is not explicitly mentioned in the story, unscientific training, which was common in old Japan, in a place called a shrine, which has existed in Japan for a long time, is a very important act for Tateishi, as it trains not only his body but also his spirit. Hence, it is the scene that represents the character of Tateishi. Murasakihitsuji (talk) 15:31, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello and thank you,

Maybe other readers will understand what this "unscientific training" refers to. I confess that I still don't. Do you mean something like spiritual training, self-discipline, ascetic practices...? It's at a shinto shrine, correct? -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:55, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, you are right about the meaning of "unscientific training." And about "shrine," I immediately changed it to "shinto shrine." Murasakihitsuji (talk) 10:06, 22 January 2024 (UTC) Done

I saw that. Thanks. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 12:08, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Cast

Suzuki (played by Shimada) is described as mayor of Nikko Edomura: does Nikko Edomura have a "mayor"? Is it not only a theme park, but also a municipality?-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 07:59, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your points. First, let me explain the premise of this film. The location of this film is Nikko Edomura (日光江戸村), but the story takes place in a fictional theme park, Nikko Oedomura (日光"大"江戸村). It is not Edo-mura, but rather Oedo-mura, with the Kanji "大" in it. (So, could you please keep Oedomura and not change it?) So, I do not know if Nikko Edomura, a real theme park, has a village chief (The Japanese word "村:mura" means "village" in English.), but Nikko Oedomura, a fictional theme park, is set up to have a village chief.

But I translated "mayor" as "head of the village," but Suzuki's role is essentially "chief executive officer of the theme park. So, how do you think I should translate it? Murasakihitsuji (talk) 14:29, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Sorry about all the removed Oedos then. I will correct it (and remove the link). What about "executive director of the park"?-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 15:21, 22 January 2024 (UTC)?

Thank you for adding the Nikko Edomura park theme's image. By the way, do you think "park theme" or "theme park" is a better description? I'm using the latter. Murasakihitsuji (talk) 08:36, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Had missed this. Theme park, I think, is correct. Had I written "park theme"? Silly me. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 12:40, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Resolved

Note

My personal view as of today is that there's some copy edit to be done before it might pass GA (and even B-Class, to be honest). But I haven't seen the film, nor am I really familiar with Fujioka's work, and I don't feel confortable editing substantially pages about films I haven't seen. You might want to leave a Template:Copy edit for a while and when things are edited, then nominate for GA (this, I think, would indeed imply withdrawing (or suspending temporarily) the GA nomination until cleanup is done, because I can't see a GA nomination with a Template: Copy edit on it). That's just me but I think that would be playing on the safe side. Or ask at the Project Japan TP, if anyone is interested. Or Project film TP? Again, that's just my opinion and maybe a GA reviewer will list what's to be improved and you and other users addressing the issues raised, all may go smoothly. Up to you. Best,-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 12:34, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your opinion. I don't know why it was erased from the talk page records, but a person added a "B"-Class assessment to the talk page banner on May 14, 2023. I then made improvements based on that person's advice, and on October 7, that person recommended that I nominate the article for a GA. I think the article is a "B"-Class article now, is there that much to improve on this article? Murasakihitsuji (talk) 09:16, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

I would say there is, yes. As for B assessment, not sure: User:Kingsif checked some points that were B-class and other that were not according to them and I rather agree with their assessment. Grammar/style/referencing were not checked as B, but C-class at most. Not sure who assessed the page as a whole as B and invited you to nominate for GA. Not on this page, I think. As I said, feel free to wait if you think it's easier to receive a proper review. But expect some work to be done anyway. Best, -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 18:20, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

It was User:Kingsif who recommended me to nominate the article for a GA. But I will take your advice and make further improvements.

However, I looked at the Wikipedia:Good article nominations list and it seems that reviewers aren't showing up very often. I have a feeling that my turn will come around April this year. I don't want to withdraw my nomination as much as possible, considering that the review of the nominated film article now will probably be next year. Do you think it would be bad manners to make improvements with a nomination? Murasakihitsuji (talk) 14:58, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

No, it is certainly not bad manners to improve details while waiting for a GA review, quite the opposite, I'd say. I just thought a certain amount of copy edit could be done before but no worries. Sorry if I worried you unduly. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:50, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

I was relieved to hear that.

I had already done the grammar check using the tool, but there is a limit to what phrases are appropriate to put on Wikipedia using only the tool. You have refined the article and I am very grateful to you. Murasakihitsuji (talk) 08:49, 25 January 2024 (UTC)