Talk:Qal'at Bani Hammad

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Since this is a World Heritage Site, I think this article should have an image. Nocturnal Wanderer 00:21, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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"Beni Hammad Fort" is a crude and not quite accurate translation of Qal'a(t) Bani Hammad. "Fort" usually implies a smaller fortification, not a citadel or capital city. The vast majority of English-language reliable sources refer to this site by its full Arabic transliteration, "Qal'at Bani Hammad" or "Qal'a Bani Hammad", or more rarely "Qal'at of the Bani Hammad" or one of those variants with "Beni" or "Banu" instead of "Bani", and so on. "Al Qal'a of Beni Hammad" is used by UNESCO, but like other UNESCO names it's more of a title than a common name.

So per both WP:COMMONNAME and WP:USEENGLISH, something like that would be the most appropriate name of the article. Authors vary on whether to write the "t" from the taa marbuta, but of the varying transliterations "Qal'at Bani Hammad" appears to be the most abundantly-used; e.g. see Google Books search results (but note that Google Books searches include repetitions, non-English books, and non-identical spellings in its results, so the results aren't worth much unless you take a closer look at the books themselves). "Beni Hammad Fort" is virtually non-existent in published sources; the only two examples I could find in a Google Books search are more peripheral sources from recent years that could have been influenced by Wikipedia itself.

The name "Qal'at Bani Hammad" is the most common among reliable mainstream English publications, for example:

M. Bloom, Jonathan; S. Blair, Sheila, eds. (2009). "Qal῾at Bani Hammad". The Grove Encyclopedia of Islamic Art and Architecture. Oxford University Press. ISBN 9780195309911.
Whitcomb, Donald. "Archaeology". In Fleet, Kate; Krämer, Gudrun; Matringe, Denis; Nawas, John; Rowson, Everett (eds.). Encyclopaedia of Islam, Three. Brill. ISSN 1873-9830.
Arnold, Felix (2017). Islamic Palace Architecture in the Western Mediterranean: A History. Oxford University Press. ISBN 9780190624552.
Abun-Nasr, Jamil (1987). A history of the Maghrib in the Islamic period. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. p. 69. ISBN 0521337674.
Bosworth, Clifford Edmund (2004). The New Islamic Dynasties: A Chronological and Genealogical Manual. Edinburgh University Press. ISBN 9780748696482.
Denoix, Sylvie (2008). "Founded Cities of the Arab World from the Seventh to the Eleventh Centuries". In Jayyusi, Salma K. (ed.). The City in the Islamic World. Brill. p. 115-142.
Darke, Diana (2020). Stealing from the Saracens: How Islamic Architecture Shaped Europe. Oxford University Press. p. 121. ISBN 9781787385108.
Bennison, Amira K. (2016). The Almoravid and Almohad Empires. Edinburgh University Press. p. 288. ISBN 9780748646821.

Others use the same spelling but without the "t", as mentioned, for example:

Bloom, Jonathan M. (2020). Architecture of the Islamic West: North Africa and the Iberian Peninsula, 700-1800. Yale University Press. ISBN 9780300218701.
Ruggles, D. Fairchild (2000). Gardens, Landscape, and Vision in the Palaces of Islamic Spain. Pennsylvania State University Press. ISBN 9780271018515.
Hattstein, Markus; Delius, Peter, eds. (2011). Islam: Art and Architecture. h.f.ullmann. ISBN 9783848003808.

And so on.
Since there is no basis for the current name in reliable sources to begin with, and since I expect there are few active editors with knowledge of this topic, I'm just going to do a WP:BOLD move. If there's an objection, then we can revert and go through an RM instead. R Prazeres (talk) 07:01, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Image perhaps of interesr

Kalaa des Beni Hamma.jpg Elinruby (talk) 09:55, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]